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Do you expect them to play that much better than they are playing right now? I mean beyond McGary (big men tend to take longer to develop) their freshmen aren't really playing like freshmen right now. I just feel that it is more likely they hit a "freshmen wall" and incase you cannot read I did say they look top 5 good right now, soooo how much better are they going to get.
In summary I just feel that Michigan is playing some it's best basketball right now, while I am holding out hope that like most MSU teams they will be playing their best ball in February and March. Perhaps Michigan will continue to get better and will be the best team in the country by season's end. I guess we will have to wait and see.
Credit their program for somehow kicking their recruiting up a notch over the past couple years and landing good players. They look good now, but I'll withhold judgment until I see them play some tougher games.
MSU still has a higher ceiling this season I think. Too much athleticism. Not saying this will be true every season from here on out.
I wasn't implying the outcome of the games get affected; sorry if that wasn't clear.
I was implying that the perception of our team compared to them gets artificially inflated and people melt down unnecessarily.
I will be interested to see how they respond against big, physical teams, along with those who can make Burke work defensively. If they get ahead early in games and can dictate the tempo, they will be very difficult to beat. I think their lack of frontcourt depth will catch up to them in some games.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Forget it. It's obvious you're just trying to start an argument over nothing.
I guess that is my point. How do we know if they are playing their best basketball right now? They are giving 4 freshmen plenty of minutes. It is very plausible that Michigan starts to gel more with Stauskas in the starting lineup. It is also very possible that they play better when McGary is getting more minutes.
Relax. No puppies will be harmed in your neighborhood.
Thank you, Denicos.
How many big physical teams are there in college basketball?
Pitt, kstate.... Oh wait...
Well, they are undefeated and have actually played some decent to good teams lately. Beating Bradley on the road is not necessarily easy. That tells me that they are playing really good basketball right now. Of course they might get better. I'm just going off recent history here, Burke was all world up until it really mattered and he seemed to run out of steam and they lost to Ohio in consecutive games.
This is by far the most talent that Michigan has had under B___ and they are going to be a major factor in the B10 this year. I just believe that it is more likely that (especially this year in the B10) their key freshmen are more likely to get worn down then make dramatic improvements from where they are right now.
That being said, the same thing could happen with MSU's key freshmen. There is just more evidence that Izzo knows how to handle this problem compared to B___. Once again, just my
I think Indiana is clearly a more talented team, but I don't think the article is that outrageous.
Michigan's third and fourth leading scorers are both freshman and are averaging over 14 and 12 a game, respectively. That's pretty damn impressive.
Also, while I don't think Mitch McGary is very good, I think it's naive for people to imply he won't serve any purpose on that team this year.
I also know that if we had a freshman who was averaging McGary's numbers, the very same people who are bashing McGary would be going to great lengths to defend him and make regular posts begging posters to give him time.
It's pretty foolish to suggest we have a ton of room to improve, yet Michigan has automatically hit their ceiling.
Some of the reasons we have room to improve include the fact that two of our starters/top 6 guys are freshmen. Newsflash: Michigan has the same thing going on with their rotation and right now their freshmen are outplaying our freshmen.
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Pitt will make the tournament. K State won't. I was talking about teams like Florida, Gonzaga, Syracuse. Big, talented teams.
They are playing 5 freshman in their top 9 players. Why would you not expect them to get better?
It's been like 6 games and they've played 1 ranked team and 1 road game.. can we really say whether any of their frosh are actually legit?
Let's wait until Feb/March before determining their talent level
I agree with like your entire point (especially regarding McGary) but my point is that their Frosh are playing really well right now, and I doubt they are going to go from averaging 14 and 12 to 20 and 18 each. While MSU's freshmen seem to be playing much more up and down right now. That being said I think it is not unfair to say UM is the better team right now. However I do believe (with no injuries) Harris and Valentine are better freshmen then the duo of McGary and Robinson. The Ex factor to me is can Byrd become the shooter MSU needs because I would love to have a Nik Stauskas gunner right now.
The rest of the teams' frosh prolly wont be making significan contributions this season so I'm not going to compare any of them.
What have you seen with K State that makes you think they won't get in the dance? Also, the Big 12 is not good this year, so there's that
I wish y'all could read. Their freshmen are playing phenomenal basketball right now, and I'm sure McGary and Albrecht will get much better throughout the season. But how much better can they get when a couple of them are all ready are going for double figures on a nightly basis and seem to be doing very well defensively too.
Not saying they will never get better, but given they have Burke, Hardaway who had a hard enough time sharing the ball last year I doubt they will concede much more than they have. Which is fine because (like I've said several times) they are playing like a top five team right now.
So that aren't any big physical talented teams that um would have to play until tournament time.
I would say anybody who thinks M lacks frontcourt depth hasn't seen them play. They go 4 deep on Bigs but don't have the minutes to play them all. If you saw the Bradley game, and the RS freshman Bielfeldt, you would have to be impressed with the kid.
I would argue M's frontcourt of Morgan, McGary, Horford and Bielfeldt is deeper and more talented than MSU's frontcourt of Payne, Nix, Gauna, and Costello.
Both M and MSU, very good, very deep, very talented teams.
It will be interesting to see how they match up head to head.
Jesus. I care about Michigan State. Period.
Argh. Clearly, I assumed the B1G schools that fall into that category (Minnesota, OSU, MSU) were understood. Sorry, my bad. Just giving some national examples. And before someone bitches, clearly IU is talented but they aren't overly physical. Hard to tell what Illinois is right now. Seem like a perimeter oriented team at this point.
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I was under the impression from reading this board that you don't get any better after you turn 20. Byrd is almost 20, so it is impossible for him to get any better. Sorry.
Also, isn't Harris averaging like 15 per game? Why is he going to score more but not Stauskas and Robinson? Also also, why are you only using scoring as a measurement for improvement? Just because Stauskas won't go from 14 ppg to 20 ppg doesn't mean the team (and Stauskas) are at their ceiling. Same with Robinson. That is ridiculous to think
Haradaway is actually the most improved player on the team and the top reason they look good. He worked on his handle and can take you off the dribble to score in the paint. His outside shot has improved.
Yeah, but he's got that wierd "I'm mad/crazy" face on all the time. Creepy......
His decision making has not. His hustle has not. If he misses his first few shots or doesn't get early shots, he becomes a liability. Does he have the talent and athletic ability to be a major impact player, and maybe a pro? Absolutely. He is not there yet though.
If we can trick Coach Krzyzewski into saying his own name backwards, perhaps he will be pushed back to the fifth dimension
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