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Terrible officiating, terrible rule
This. What is being missed here is that craft moved into position while the player was airborne. That is the reason 80% of these calls are indeed blocks because defense tends to react and not anticipate. If both move to the spot simultaneously the committed offensive player gets the benefit.
ISU wasn't finishing strong? They had just overcome a 13 point lead and were about to take a 4 point lead before the refs absolutely FUCKED them.
ISU was screwed over bigtime by the refs but they can't let that ball slip out of their hands on that last rebound opportunity.
It was a terrible call and this "entire course of the game" justification just pisses me off more.
Im glad there is someone like Barkley that will speak out. Even if you think a lot of what he says is stupid he is at least entertaining as well. It doesnt bother me if he bashes the big ten if that is what everyone is worked up about with him.
Oh, but the refs always seem SO certain of split second calls when they jump into their theatrics without hesitation.
Perhaps they should have gotten together and discussed the call before making it final so quickly.
Yes, in last years tournament there was 112 block/ charge calls. The NCAA broke them down and found 45 could have been called either way and that is in slow motion with multiple angles. These refs have a horrible view and some of the biggest and best athletes in the world and have to make an instant decision. Very hard job.
Right. Put it this way...you're down one with the shot clock off and shoot with about 5 seconds to go and miss. One of your guys gets the offensive rebound and puts it back up for the win at the buzzer. Now, would anyone say that an offensive rebound 2 minutes into the game is as important as one at the end which led to a winning shot? I really doubt it. But somehow a bad non-game-changing call early in the game is being compared to one at the end.
A bad call at the end of a game is MUCH more impactful than one early in a game.
Selling the call means they don't really know, but are going to make you think they do.
You might be on to something.
At best why not just make no call on half of these block charge situations. It is too hard for the refs to make those split second calls and it would further make players think twice about trying to draw them and would open up the game.
The fact that this kind of play is even "debateable" under the current rules is as infuriating as anything as it points out the rules are wrong to begin with.
If you tried to draw a charge on the courts I grew up on you might get smoked. Or at the very least get your ass kicked and never be allowed to play again.
But without the offensive rebound 2 minutes into the game, the offensive rebound with 5 seconds to go wouldn't be a game winner.
Not true, because the opposing team has 38 minutes left to overcome that offensive board they gave up 2 minutes in.
It's possible, but you're trying to argue things either team could have done over 38 minutes to change the outcome of the game, but the fact of the matter is with 5 seconds left, it was a one point game and would not have been without the offensive rebound in the first two minutes, and all of the other points and fouls throughout the game. We can argue what COULD have happened until we die, but all that matters is what did happen.
And if you look at the replay, you can also see the ISU guy was moving in midair to avoid contact with Thomas initially.
I saw the same thing you did. It really doesn't matter where his heel was - even if it was off the ground, it would have been considered in the arc because the arc should extend up through the air. But the main point is that Craft didn't establish position until after the ISU player jumped. Bad call and the debate among the experts is moot. I couldn't understand why they were arguing about the heel and not getting why the call was wrong no matter where Craft's feet were.
There is no way to prove that a rebound 2 minutes into a game has any affect on the score at the end due to the time a team would have to adjust and overcome that. However, at the end of the game it can be proven. Since there would be little to no time to overcome a mistake (bad call, missed shot, turnover, giving up an offensive board, etc), one made at the end of the game with time running out is much more impactful than one made much earlier in the game.
If the rebound two minutes in leads to two points like the of the game, then it very much can be proven it had the same impact as 5 seconds left, two points. If all that really matters in the game is what happens in the end, then why play 40 minutes? First to 10 wins.
This post was edited by TheGreenMist 13 months ago
I guess that would be true if every possession existed in a vacuum.
Again, you can't argue all that COULD have happened throughout the game, only what did happen. It's the same argument as people, both sides, blaming and not blaming someone that misses a free throw to lose the game. Some argue that the player lost the game for them, others argue that the team shouldn't have been in the position for that one free throw to matter. They're taking the whole game into account.
Oh no the refs blew a call! You know what else happened, shitty defense when Craft shot his 3 without a hand in his face.
1. The call took two points off the scoreboard. That's undeniable.
2. The call was a textbook example of a HUGE problem is college basketball. It's bigger than just one sequence in one game.
Yep...and inability to get a board..and an awful turnover in a tie game with under a minute to go. Can't pin this loss on the stripes even though they blew that call
Yep, this whole season has been horribly inconsistent.
Lol the boners can't handle the fact that shit happens, a bad call here and there, same boners that complain about calls in MSU football
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