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How would you feel if you found out college sports was corrupt and heavily influenced to get certain outcomes. From shady commisioners/presidents/ADs to turning a blind eye to shady recruiting and other violations by certain programs/coaches to corrupt officials on the take to players on the take, how would would you feel? Would MSU football/hoops still play as important of a role in your life?
hoke- to alter or manipulate so as to give a deceptively or superficially improved quality or value.
WHAT? You mean it isn't already fixed?
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I wouldn't be surprised but kind of bummed out.
I already think certain aspects of it are fixed or at least heavily influenced by outside money and still watch.
What would bother me, though, is if I found out that MSU was blatantly cheating. It's what makes our basketball program much more fun that we are doing things the right way instead of how the Michigan/Memphis/Kentucky-type of teams operate.
i would just turn my attention to something not as corrupt -- like soccer.
If you're looking for a live stream, I know where you can find one...
I'd switch to Boxing. That's totally legit
RCMB Join Date: September 2001
To me there are three levels of fixing, in increasing order of severity:
(1). Schools cheating: This is a given. It bothers me, but I know MSU can over come a lot of the cheating, a lot of the time. It doesn't interfere with my love of MSU
(2): Refs Fixing / MSU Cheating / Point Shaving / Conference Fixing: This would severely dampen my love of the sports. If MSU were to cheat, I could find it in my heart to still root for them when the problems were solved. Ref fixing and is worrisome, but we can still over come. Point shaving pisses me off as a gambler, but not as a fan. Conference fixing would be awful, but I would embrace the underdog role and love to ruin Delany's visions.
(3): Scripted outcomes: Essentially where the games truly are fixed, like wrestling. I would stop watching.
Maybe that is why they dropped it as an Olympic sport;?
The legitimacy of sports journalism depends on the story being what we see on TV or in person for what it actually is.
How often is this true in real life outside sports? Not very.
Therefore it stands to reason that we should suspect that sports, especially big money sports, are not the purely wholesome free competition we suppose they are. If sports journalists really wanted to poke holes in college sports they could, but sports journalists are an invested interest.
If people stop enjoying sports and don't watch they won't care what the journalists have to say.
So it's a vicious circle.
I went to school with Isaac Burton at ASU, kid shaved some points, missed some shots & FTs, let his guy score a few times for basically 2-3 grand, and lost a future as an NBA player. One of the best I ever played against, and a nice guy who simply didn't know the scope of what he was doing. Big jail time, was doing work release in D-league, while playing, scouts said he was easily better than over half the staring guards in the NBA, but NBA would never touch him.
Nor should they have.
With regards to this thread, maybe college athletics aren't quite "fixed," but some parties are certainly "caressed." To think otherwise would just be naive.
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I have a hard time belieiving that about scouts. If he was a top 15 guard, someone would have taken a flier on him.
Hell, Birdman is back in the league.
It seems like most people here honestly believe Delaney has the refs favor OSU and UM in football, so I'm guessing a lot of tRCMB would feel validated.
Birdman has a drug/alcohol issue, NBA has no problem with that.
Isaac was caught fixing games, NBA wouldn't ever touch him with 100-foot pole.
Confessions of a Point Shaver
Which makes zero sense. You shave points, not throw games. If you're favored by 7, and only win by 3, no one suspects anything. It's when you're favored by 7, and lose by 6 that people get suspicious.
If he was a top 15 guard someone would have taken a flyer on him. Hell, a shit team could sign him, and flip him if he preformed well. Someone in his position would jump at an NBA lifestyle and contract, even at the minimum. The team and coach is aware of his history, and NBA security is alerted.
Right on cue....
Boys, I may not know much, but I know chicken shit from chicken salad. -- Lyndon Johnson
He was Pac-Ten newcomer of the year (JC transfer), and ASU was a top twenty team, and the Pac 10 was tight at the time. He was a legit big time player. He went to the d-league on work release and dominated. NBA refused him, last article I read his agent said they got a lot of calls form teams, but no one would take the risk to sign him. He was also rated better than over half the starting 2 guards in the NBA at one point in his off-league career.
Bill Frieder was the coach at ASU during that mess. Coincidence?
Just because you're a great college player doesn't mean you'll make it as a pro.
Once again, I understand teams are wary of signing someone that shaved points, but to me this screams of the NBA saying you can't sign him, or him not being good enough, than all 30 teams being unwilling to take a chance at a low-risk high-reward sign.
sCam newton-nothing, O$U and all they've been through back to clarrett, nothing but a slap on the wrist. The NCAA isn't going to punish teams that make them a lot of money(Texas, bama, ND, um, auburn, O$U) unless they get a huge cut(PSU), and even then they seem to have went put of their jurisdiction. Middle of the road money makers and small colleges are always gonna get shit on, and be the "examples" while schools like the $ec, O$U, and USC, are gonna get favoritism. Just the works we live in, money comes before anything.
You mean, apart from the last 4 years in the B1G?
This was when he was an all-star in the d-league. As a d-league player, he was rated as better than most NBA players at his position, but no one would sign him despite letting him know his worth. No team, or the NBA, can have a convicted point shaving felon on their roster.
Reading that it seems shockingly easy to shave points in college games. If they wouldn't have told a bunch of people, they could have kept that up for a long time it seems like.
I think you'd have to be a bit naive to think that cheating is not rampant in sports. I remember reading an article once where they talked about the "governing bodies" in sports and the people who run them. The point was that if these people were really interested in governing, they would be in government. Sports, by its nature (just like the priesthood, for a more serious example), attracts a certain type of unsavory person, and gambling. I think the game is probably influenced a lot more than we understand by outside influences. I mean, organized crime bribes cops and government bonars, how hard do you think it is for them to bribe refs and not get caught?
Until the officials are paid like full time employees, I will always believe that they are on the 'take'. Maybe not all of them, but a great many ...... and playing on the road in the big ten is a great example of sketchy officiating.
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