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Forgive me for not remembering where Dantonio has finished in recruiting over the past few years, but if memory serves, it wasn't this low.
Explain to me why I shouldn't be all right now.
And if I refuse?
Holy shit not this again. There are dozens of threads of people melting down about recruiting. Just read those & believe what you want.
Dantonio has given you little reason to not trust his abilities on & off the field.
scrap the program
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
Average star rating we are something like 26th. CHILL.
FWIW, Rivals counts the top 20 commits and adds up your total points for their class rankings. MSU only has 17 commits.
MSU has 3 4-stars, 13 3-stars and 1 2-star in this class. Average stars are 3.12, which ranks 26th nationally.
Furthermore, let's say MSU had a full 20 man class, with the 3 prospects added being 5.6 mid-level 3-star guys; that's well within MSU's ability to attract. That would be worth an additional 225 Rivals points (75 points for a 5.6 3-star), which would vault MSU's class to #24 overall. If the 2 NC guys decide to flip, they would add 195 points (Drennon is a 5.7 3-star, worth 90 points and Webb is a 5.8 4-star outside the top 250, and is worth 105 points). That would have MSU at #26 overall (barely missing out on #25 by something like 3 points) and .01 away from being tied for the #24 class by average stars (there are several teams with 3.17 stars, MSU would have 3.16).
So the issue here is really quantity, not quality, and you can only do so much in terms of quantity when you only have 9 SRs graduating. Good "quality" class, with only 1 2-star (Noah Jones), which continues the trend of MSU bringing in more 4-stars than 2-stars.
This post was edited by MalibuMan 18 months ago
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
First, I'm too lazy to search for aforementioned threads.
Second, his inability to build an above-average offensive line in five years concerns me. This past season's W-L record is another reason. His babysitting Roushar on recruiting trips is another reason. I don't think it's accurate to say that Dantonio hasn't given me any reasons.
If we don't get at least 9 regular season wins next year, feel free to bump this thread.
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Thank you for your valid response.
My follow-up would be, "Is it disconcerting that we have fewer overall commits, particularly when depth has proven to be an issue for MSU, particularly on the O-line?"
Having not spent the time researching and analyzing the remaining candidates, is there a chance that this is the year Coach D is going after bigger fish who are still up in the air at this point?
"...you can only do so much in terms of quantity when you only have 9 SRs graduating."
This post was edited by AirItOutMaxwell 18 months ago
You can't recruit for spots that we do not have open. This class was originally thought to only have 15-17 spots open, recent changes have opened up a couple extra spots that were not planned for in the beginning.
Nine wins? That's your bar for 2013? Yikes. You do know that we don't play Ohio State, Penn State or Wisconsin next year, don't you? We should sleep-walk our way to 9 wins (not including a conference championship or bowl game).
You only get 85 schollies. When you have X people leaving, you can only bring in enough to get you to the 85 schollie limit. No room for more commits.
Go ahead and panic, moran. You're the one who will just look like a fool.
"If you're worried about Wolverine fans, just move to Pasadena. You'll never have to deal with 'em."
With all due respect, this sounds absurd.
You do realize that each team is only allowed a certain amount of scholarship players right?
How are we supposed to sign all these players that you want without open scholarships?
How is it disconcerting? Like Rocky said, MSU has only nine graduating seniors plus three NFL entries against 17 committed players. The staff is already going to have to make some moves on the roster to get under 85.
Not this shit again
Depth was not the issue, it was constant injuries and shuffling of the line. The line that finished the year was extremely effective after having 4 weeks of play together, and that line was missing two starters.
Our OL is still young. What matter most is pulling 3-4 big OL recruits in next year's class.
I didn't say "any reason." I said "little reason."
For your part about an above average O Line, injuries are out of his hand. That's the main reason for our O Line troubles. An O line that has helped our last 3 starting RB's into the pro's. (Ringer, Baker, Bell). And our last 2 QB's into the pros.
All of your above reasoning doesn't have to do with recruiting. Now, if you want to make the argument that he hasn't produced a first round pick or top level talent (Bell excluded) then you may have an argument about recruiting. But to nit pick Dantonio to prove to me that he isn't perfect is, well, pointless. I know he isn't perfect, but he is the perfect man for this program.
What recruiting ranking would satisfy you?
We still play @ND, @Neb and home against Mich right? @Iowa and @NW are never gimmes either. Not conceding any of these games right now, but 9 wins is still a solid season.
Oh no. There were those who thought the 2012 team would have NC capabilities and many who counted on 10-11 wins. We play ND, Nebraska and Iowa on the road. 9-3 would be what I would expect and 10 wins or better a very good season.
Man those back to back 11 win seasons really make you a spoiled Spartan. 9 wins, with a bowl win, is a damn fine season in most programs.
Fair enough. But what about the fact that even after six years, we aren't bringing in a single 5-star, and approximately 76 percent of our total recruits are only 3-stars?
I get that we're not Alabama, and I get that "stars" don't necessarily mean "better," but there is something to it.
On paper, it seems as if Dantonio is declining. Does it not? And among the recruits, couldn't perception become reality? I mean, one of D's biggest recruiting stories so far is how we might lose our best recruit because his talent began to exceed our deserving of him.
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