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yeah, we would have never won 11 games in back to back seasons without those key contributions from barrent, maxwell, gainer klatt, spencer, and Boisture
That is 6 of the 15 4* or higher kids from the 2009-2010 recruiting class who had no significant contributions to the 11 win seasons, whether due to injury, transfers, or not cracking the starting lineup.
Guys rated mid 3* (5.6 RR) or lower from the 2009-2010 who played significant roles in the 11 win seasons:
Anthony Rashad White
Add in the 08 class, who would have been the veteran upperclassmen during the 11 win seasons
high 3 (RR 5.7) or 4* players: Fred Smith, Ethan Ruhland, Charles Burrel)
mid 3* or lower players that played key roles: Trenton Robinson, Chris McDonald, Worthy, Keshawn Martin
but year, clearly, stars are an indicator of future success you miserable trolling douche
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Yellowledbetter 18 months ago
Go Bears, Blackhawks, White Sox, and Pioneers.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand
You of all people should know that we did not have back to back 11 win seasons because of the 2009 class (look who the QB of that class was).
High ranked players such as Barrant, Klatt, Caper, Gainer, Spencer, and Maxwell did not pan out (some because of injuries, and yes, Caper is questionable to be included).
I would say the 2010 class played more off a role in our recent success than the much higher rated 2009 class.
Looks like you beat me to it.
Who has the #39 ranked recruiting class? I want to go on their message board and talk some shit.
It is correlation, but not necessarily causation. I would hazard a guess that high quality coaching and good offensive and defensive schemes have more to do with the National Championships than the star ratings.
Given his ability to spot under the radar talent, Coach D's next subpar recruiting class will be his first.
Exactly. It's the chicken/egg argument.
Do good programs win because they have good schemes/coaching, and therefore the wins lead to top notch recruits? Or do good programs win because they get the best recruits, and therefore the coaches look great?
It's obviously a combination of both.
Kansas State will be a good program to watch in addition to Michigan State going forward to see how this develops.
So? if he doesn't make the Rose Bowl after next season it will be 7 years! He makes 2M/year for what? The standard has to be the Rose Bowl. I don't care what under the radar recruits he identifies. He has not gotten us to Pasadena, therefore he has not ultimately been successful.
When did you play in a BCS bowl again?
Which school are you referring to? scUM or FSU?
This post was edited by davidjc70 18 months ago
Back to back 10+ seasons isn't successful? hey troll when was the last MSU did that? we took a step back this season but it doesn't mean we've regressed back to mediocrity again yet either.
Agreed! Sounds pretty damn successful to me! Shared the B1G championship in 2010 and just missed a trip to the Rose Bowl in 2011. Those are two very successful seasons for our program as well as our winning streak over scUM that we had. I'm expecting us to rebound from last years season and have a strong 2013 season.
Yep. We would have made the Rose Bowl in 2010 if they were still using the 2009 rules. And we would have made the Rose Bowl in 2011 if they were still using the 2010 rules.
DE's in action
youngblood96/viggo martyr/jargon: tRCMB's answer to Vidkun Quisling and Fred Phelps.
No. Historically MSU is a top 25 program, easily. A lot of people have MSU as a top 20 program all time.
Based upon what? What would give you the confidence that is going to happen? Gholston gone, running back that got more yards after he was crunched at the O line than any other back in the nation because the o line could not open up any holes for him to run through, a qb that is not a gamer or a winner and an OC that everyone is trying to run out of town. Yeah, I am confident that maxwell is going to improve next year because he didn't at all this year and had MD continued to play him, we lose the bowl game.
Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.
6 and 6.
Fixed for brevity.
Avg football program over the last 40 years. Ranked between 25 and 40 (or 26 or 38) is par for our 40 year course.
Tan, break it down. Name the losses and wins.
Throw in how the OL sucks too, even though it kicked ass the last 4 games of the season and will be returning two original starters to the line next year on Fou & Jackson.
Don't just yell at the clouds, pick out the specific clouds that warrant a good reaming.
38 is better than 60+ other schools.
I don't see how getting excited about recruiting ranking works except my puppy will grow bigger than your puppy. When MSU was beating umaa 4 years in a row many of those players were recruited by Lloyd Carr and every class was ranking higher than MSU. Same with ND over the last decade. Hell JLS beat ND and his recruiting was just strange.
Dantonio and staff will adjust to Hoke renewing all the connections of the Schembechler to Moeller to Carr linkage, losing a semi-friendly colleague in Columbus who would say nice things about MSU if he didn't have any scholarships left and 'Bama cherry picking. ND recruits nationally and will make a run at any good player every year.
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