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Moose nailed it.
Craft gets the attention because.... he deserves it. He's hustle and ability tied into one package. Has NOTHING to do with is race. Has everything to do with the fact that he plays tough D, and is a highly skilled point guard. He's the kind of kid you want to see as a student athlete, in that order (3.98 student).... Frankly, the only thing I don't like about his game is that he's wearing Buckeye red and not Spartan green and white. Not sure why the hatred towards this kid. He deserves the accolades.
Spartans ...committed to bring Paul Bunyan home in 2013.
This isn't debatable if Zeller gets passes in the post. Hulls has no idea how to do this because he's a terrible passer.
The hate comes from the fact that he fouls every single time he is defending someone. He has the reputation of being a "hard-nosed" defender and gets away with so much more than anyone else.
Aren't we getting a little carried away calling Craft a scorer now? Sunday was his career high. His three previous games he scored 6, 4, and 7 points. Before the IU game, Appling had scored double figures in five in a row and 12 of 14. They're not really in the same realm offensively, KA's recent slide notwithstanding.
Riiiiiiggghtttt..... There's a pre-game agreement reached by tOSU and officials that forces officials to call things differently for him than for others....
Spaking of hate, I really hate it when people blame the refs for our losses (uh, we play a physical game, too.... yet we get called for fouls... gee, there MUST be some legitimacy to that conspiracy theory!) or simply can't man up and acknowledge good, tough play.
Good lord, people....
You missed my point completely. I didn't say craft was a scorer. He can score if he needs to though. My point was that the only thing Keith does better is score. Craft leads Appling in all important PG stats like steals, assists, turnovers, and even rebounds per game. Craft is also all over the floor every game for OSU.
Nope. No one is getting carried away and calling him a scorer. SOLID straw man, though.
Appling scores more, but Craft has an edge in assists and turnovers this year. Craft is a very solid PG.
Appling vs. Craft
Points: 13.4 vs. 9.6
Assists: 3.8 vs. 4.4
Turnovers: 2.5 vs. 1.9
I was responding to this comment:
"As he showed us Sunday, he can score too."
I don't think Craft can score on a regular basis, and the stats back that up. It has nothing to do with OSU's system - they would kill for a secondary scorer right now.
In fact, I think his inability to score the ball is the reason most coaches would take Keith Appling over Aaron Craft. Big difference on offense, not as sizable on defense (media accolades aside).
I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.
Saying he can score is not calling him a scorer. His scoring is right in the ballpark of Payne and Nix, who you wouldn't hesitate to say can score.
That article is more about a writer drawing attention to himself, than the subject.
But what about him being white?
You are ignorant if you think player or team reputations don't affect how refs call games. No one is saying there is a conspiracy theory. Over dramatic much?
The writer shows his own ignorance in the story. Craft has been playing well since his freshman year. He is very inconsistant on offense but probably one of the better defenders in the nation. As far as his athletic skills are concerned he was also one of the top QB recruits in Ohio had he decided to play football. Craft is good because of his athleticizm, not as much because of his shooting or basketball skills.
Because he is black? or because he is huge?
haters gonna hate
Haha because he's huge. I know it's beside the point, but that play really pissed me off. If anyone else on the court did that it would have been a foul.
Maybe Walton's shooting percentages decreased, but he got better as the years went on. MSU teams improved from the previous season each year he was here. Under Izzo, what other captain can you say that about besides Cleaves? He also found a way to get nearly 30 minutes per game by his senior year despite being replaced at PG by Kalin Lucas. Oh and that whole Defensive Player of the Year award. Point guards can influence the game many ways.
I was talking about offensively. He was not geting better offensively, and in fact got worse. I don't know how you can say he got better offensively, there is nothing that backs that up. Like I mentioned, even his free throw percentage went to crap. He was a hell of a defender, but offensively he was severely limited and actually got worse towards the end of his career.
Oladipo was just vastly underrated.
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
Idiots still read Couch? I guess you can always make that a "yes" with a race column
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Zeller is still listed in the top 5 in every mention / poll / article for player of the year.
Where or why do you think he's not in the conversation for POTY?
Craft's athleticism is way underrated, IMO. Sure, he "fouls" a lot, reaches and grabs, just like EVERY OTHER decent defender in college basketkball, but he's got incredibly quick feet, and can move laterally as well as any defender i've seen in quite some time. He beats guys "to the spot," as i think Vitale put it in one game this year, better than just about anyone in the nation.
And, re: Appling and Craft, i think their about equal, at this point.
Haven't checked these numbers, so don't know if they are correct, but a commenter on that article posted a head-to-head comparison.
"In the seven games they’ve faced each other, Craft has scored more points (75-65), grabbed more rebounds (28-25), dished out more assists (30-14), grabbed more steals (19-10) and committed fewer turnovers (13-27)"
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You think they are about equal? Offensively they are not much different. Appling takes more shots (they have similar FG percentages, both from 2 and 3) which means 4 more ppg, but Craft has more assists, more steals, similar rebounding, and Craft is a way better defender.
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