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Their woes aren't necessarily overblown.
From 2000 to 2005, Wiscy was 11-6 in the tournament, including one Final Four and one Elite Eight. Since then, they are 9-7 in the tournament, no visits past the Sweet Sixteen.
Their PASE from 2000-2005 was a very good +.823.
From 2006 to present, the PASE has dropped considerably to -.119. That doesn't put them among the biggest underachievers in the tournament, but it's also not success by any measure.
Under Bo Ryan, PASE has been +.179, but that includes the 2005 team which exceeded expectations by nearly a full two wins in the tournament.
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Good info. But it shows the flaws in statistics based arguments by deciding to include or not include 2005 in the discussion. It IS part of Wisco's and Ryan's performance. For example, MSU is 14-7 since 2006 in the tourney. On paper, that means we are a sweet sixteen team on average. Since 1999 we are 35-12, a bit more impressive and a better representation of MSU.
They have made three sweet sixteens in the last five years and won their first round games the other two years. Not world beaters but I don't think you can look at that and say that they have really underachieved.
FWIW, I wouldn't be surprised to see only one team in the Elite 8. Didn't the same thing happen to the Big East the year UConn won it and they had about 11 teams in the tournament?
B10 teams will be physically beat down by the time the tournament gets here. The BTT is going to kill the legs of the teams that make it to Sunday. A few early exits wouldn't surprise me.
IU is obviously the closest thing to a lock, but every other team can be caught napping on any given night. Then again, IU may be the only Elite 8 lock in the entire country.
That's true if Burke plays like a point guard and passes the damn ball. If he reverts to gunner mode, launching 20+ shots, that's not good for UM. Against the really good teams, Burke tends to shoot a lot.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
the fact that you list minnesota, who is in an absolute tailspin right now and may not even make the tourney, and not Wisconsin who is in comfortably makes me I'm not saying UW is going to the elite 8, but to say that Minnesota has more of a chance is hysterical.
Taking into account the current bracketology, Cowherd is basically saying that he thinks MSU and Michigan will lose before the elite 8. Not as radical of an opinion if you look at it that way. Most teams in the tourney are going to lose before the elite 8, so it's not hard to be right about teams that don't make it. He just states it in a way that makes it sound like a crazy radical prediction.
This post was edited by Chitown_Badger 14 months ago
If order of finish in the conference directly corresponded to tournament performance Wisconsin's record in March would be a whole lot better.
As others have said, the problem I have is trying to think of any other teams out there better than the next couple B1G teams.
Not sure I get the argument you're trying to make on this one. My point was simply that saying Minnesota is better suited for an elite 8 run than Wisconsin is Colin Cowherd-esque ridiculous right now.
We play our first two games in Auburn Hills. If he thinks we lose there then he is on crack. It will be literally 90% MSU, 10% opponent. Michigan likely the same.
So, technically all either Michigan or MSU will have to do is win one game to show his "guarantee" to be a crock of shit.
I was thinking the same thing, but doubt he looked at the locations to even consider that influence.
Walverines have been buying up those tickets for months. If MSU is sent there, the Spartans in attendance will have to be damn loud for it to not feel like a second trip to Crisler.
And my point is that conference performance doesn't necessarily equate to tournament performance, and Wisky is evidence of that.
Minnesota could struggle grinding against B10 teams but be able to roll more wide open teams in the tournament. It's not far fetched to think their style of play had a better chance of advancing deeper than Wisky's.
Let me guess how he put it...
(Whiny, cracking voice, like Andy Rooney's idiot son): The Big Ten is like a family with twelve daughters...eight or nine pretty girls and three or four ugly ones. The pretty ones all think they're gonna be supermodels, but only one of them is Kate Upton. The other ones will try to become models. A couple of them will end up in a Sears catalog, standing next to a gas grill. Or doing a supermarket ad holding a bag of potatoes. The other ones will do lapdances for ten bucks a pop. Don't kid yourself, Big Ten fan - only one of your girls is gonna make the SI swimsuit edition.
Miami because I like their coach Jim Larranaga and I think he has the team to make a run to the Final Four..and Butler is always going to be a threat as long as Stephens is coaching. He has taken the team to final fours as a 5 seed so if they get that seed..look for them to be a threat.
Ah shit, you're right, I meant to say Wisco, not Minny. I'm in a brainfunk today.
You're referring to 2011. I'll counter with big east 2009 when they had 4 teams in the elite, two facing each other. Ended up with 2 teams in the FF.
So 18-21 year old athletes will be too worn from playing 3 games in 3 days to recover with 3 or 4 days rest? I think this perceived effect is way overblown.
Based on the past? No, not Gonzaga or Miami. But every year is different and Gonzaga looks for real this time. They have great bigs and play a lot better defense than they ever have. They are much better in the half court and no longer are a run and gun team. Olynyk is more skilled than any big they've ever had. He's not just a mauler like Turiaf or Sacre both were. This will be a big gut check tournament for Gonzaga. A lot of hype over the years hasn't produced much tournament success outside of that first Elite 8. That program is due for a real deep run. Whether they make it remains to be seen.
Butler may not reach the Elite 8 but they are going to make it a bitch of a time for whoever takes them out. That team is in a bit of a lull right now but Stevens will have them back up and ready for the tournament. I think they are starting to find that the A10 (though not incredibly good) is much better than the Horizon league and they aren't getting to play the likes of Youngstown, Wisconsin Green Bay, Loyola Chicago or Wright State every night anymore. They may be hitting a bit of a wall.
Miami is a big time wild card. At some point in the tournament you'd think they'd realize where they are and bow out to a more experienced program/team. Matchup wise they can go with any team in the country.
This post was edited by Lunchables 14 months ago
You forgot about the fact that the majority of Walverines often jump on the MSU bandwagon in March. They justify it as "I want whats best for the State of Michigan", but its really because they have had nothing to cheer for for a long time. Maybe that changes with their regular season success this year, but I kinda doubt it.
I wouldn't put much stock into anything he says about college basketball. He also said that this season is the worst college basketball season he's ever watched, and that it's completely broken.
It's all good
Hey man...GB is in third place! They'll give em some comp
The Big East comparison is a good one. Big Ten this year could be like the Big East in the late 00s. Overhyped. We shall see. Hard to feel that way about MSU, IU and Michigan, but we'll see.
This just doesn't work. You can't simply dismiss some Big Ten teams without examining who the competition is. Have you see the other leagues? So dismiss UM and OSU, fine. But tell me all these other teams that are so much more poised to make a run than them?
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