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Yes. But even without injuries, our line is still the biggest concern.
Again - here's what you guys aren't getting: it's not only experience but also talent. Is the talent there? We don't know yet. We are relying on Kieler, Conklin a TON for 2014. If they beat the odds and pan out above where they were recruited, then we're ok, we just need to add depth behind them. Again, time will tell.
How can you say that when they haven't been able to make it past the Notre Dame game the past 2 years without major injuries?
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Uhh, Burkland and Dennis will be RS SR in '14.
I'd say your line isn't as big of concern as RB(if Bell leaves) and QB for next year at least. If anyone should be worrying about OL it should UM.
Ya I agree I am worried about RB but I feel like RB's can be replaced easier. Plus, a good offensive line would be huge for young RBs. Run blocking wasn't our problem this year, hopefully it goes to the next level next year.
I feel like replacing an RB can be easier but in this situation you will be looking to replacing an outstanding RB and it doesn't seem like the options to replace him are that strong (Hill and Kings?).
Dennis? Seriously? Even our coaches who love to feed fluff to our beat writers and media members haven't said anything positive about him. You can hope otherwise, but I'm looking elsewhere.
You've got tons of talent. They're young, but very talented.
Haha whoops. Wrong thread.
This post was edited by PPTPW51983 16 months ago
Too young though. It will be a rough start to the year I think.
EDIT: Especially with no proven RB options, think a freshman may start there.
This post was edited by Wendel Clark 16 months ago
The staff seems to be high on freshmen Shelton and Tompkins (RS). Hill was a bit of a disappointment this year but I hope he can help too.
Thompkins and the freshman coming in are in the mix and so is Langford. Not too worried about RB, and Hill looks to be improving to me. Hasn't had a ton of carries even when he did gain yards.
FR RBs can step in much much easier than young OL.
The staff also said Maxwell would step right in and play well. I don't know much about Shelton. If Tompkins was much better than Hill wouldn't the staff have burned his RS in order to fill in for Hill on KR and as a speed back? Our coaches have said great things about Rawls(who kind of sucks) and other RBs and they are pretty terrible. Coaches generally don't say bad things about their players, especially at more prominent positions like RB.
I remember "Rawls is like Mark Ingram . . . but a little faster"
Tompkins came in at 185 and the staff felt he wasn't strong enough yet. Then again, Ringer played as a true FR at about the same size (though probably an inch or two shorter than that), but that was also in a spread system.
A guy like Holmes looks like a Big 10 RB already (note: I said "Looks", not "Will be") and Bell came in out of nowhere to rush for 5.7 YPC and 8 TDs as a FR (somewhere north of 600 yards too). I'd suspect MSU has an RB by committee, with 2 or even 3 guys splitting 350-400 carries.
I feel like 185 is heavy enough for a KR and change of pace back but shockingly I am not paid to coach football.
So what do you want from me exactly, here?
Most of the kids the coaches have been high on here have played and been successful. This isn't an ignorant coaching staff. Not to mention, I haven't given up on Maxwell yet. People act like the guy was absolutely AWFUL last year, he had a few nice moments. Not great but I wouldn't be shocked if Andrew comes out and has a good year.
Worry about your players we'll worry about ours. Don't come on here and start talking down our quarterback.
I'm worried about both teams players. I was just trying to say that I think that MSU OL wont be that big as big of concern as RB or QB. I didn't talk him down, I said the coaches said he would be pretty good and even though the WRs weren't great he struggled a lot, especially with the deep ball.
He was not awful. I don't even see him on the list.
Dennis has already seen the field and he's in the two deeps. He is part of our jumbo package lining up as the 3rd tackle. He's done well. Also, keep in mind that he is a PERFECT example of a linemen who benefits from age, experience, and time in the gym. He was a 6'7" 260 lbs senior in high school. He's now over 300 lbs and seeing game action. All linemen are projects, but some just take more time to develop.
You are quitting on Dennis way too soon in much the same way people were giving up on Pickelman as a 250 lbs redshirt freshman DT. He kept getting bigger and better every year until he was a quality starter opposite of Worthy his senior year. If he hadn't broke his leg during the Outback Bowl, maybe he gets a shot at landing in the NFL.
You could also make the same argument about Chris McDonald. He was another 260lbs high schooler who had to develop. This is what people have to realize about a lot of both offensive and linemen in college football and why there are so many high level busts and two-star nobodies that turn into 1st round picks. Sometimes you get a guy who comes out of high school as a stud who is already physically developed for his age and is rated high but he never gets better because he had already peaked physically. Sometimes you get a guy who's undersized but is athletic and has good technique. Then he hits a college strength training program and he graduates as an absolute monster. Think JJ Watt.
Bottom line is that for a guy who started off so small like Dennis and has already done a lot of the work to turn his body into that of a Big Ten lineman, it is WAY too early to write him off after only his sophomore year.
What you say is true, but it's also way too early to be saying MSU's line is going to be any better than mediocre. The O staff has a ton to prove after last season. MD said he wanted to turn MSU into a program that contended every year, not won every year but was at least in the mix. Part of doing that is getting young players ready to play when their time comes. Narduzzi does this consistently and the D is top notch because of it. That can't be said for the O after this season.
This post was edited by spartan80 16 months ago
Who's said he's completed this goal? It's a work in progress that has been hampered by damn near every OL in the 2008 and 2009 recruiting class no longer being part of the program. We've had stop-gap measures in that are highly unusual in any BCS conference program, never mind in the ones that are always in the mix for their conference's championship.
Sorry dude but you've been drinking too much of the Kool-Aid.
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