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And just for arguments sake, which NFL franchise is "worse" than Detroit?
My claim was that you could make a case for Detroit being the worst franchise in pro sports. Yes, I should have added "in the modern era". But I didn't, I figured it would be assumed that nobody truly cares about leather helmet championships. That said, the list is short. Feel free to add to it.
haha no wonder the Jags are so shitty...they used a 3rd round pick for a punter
A man's gotta eat!
The new Cleveland I take it? Since their re-entry into the league, they have as many playoff wins as Detroit has since 1957. They have been very bad, but they don't have a windless season on their record.
Who's your team BTW?
You seem to be obsessed with bashing the Lions so much
Rogue Leader= Obese coward who didn't attend MSU and has no college degree
No one does, other than Tampa Bay. That's Millen Era competence for you. If you want to pick on Detroit as the only franchise to go winless in the 16-game season, go for it. Don't automatically convert that to "WORST FRANCHISE EVAR!!!!!!"
Thank you, Denicos.
Quit moving the goalpost... any franchise who may get uprooted and moved or sold or in dire financial difficulties is worse than the Lions... The Bills for instance are a much worse franchise than the Lions.
I don't give a shit about meaningless regular season games or playoff victories. Having to play games in Toronto because of waning support or continually being mentioned as a possible LA franchise is much worse... or having one team taken from you and then another placed there only to have them continually suck, in Cleveland. Or being around Arizona "fans" or St. Louis "fans" or having Oakland or San Diego stadium support issues... these things weaken a franchise too.
You don't give a shit about playoff victories? Why bother watching sports then?
So you don't watch college football I take it?
See... I can play the out of context game too.
Different animal...college football is all about its rivalry games and (to a lesser extent) bowl games. My guess is the average MSU/Lions fan on this board remembers MANY more MSU regular season games through the years than regular season Lions' games.
Pro sports are all about championships...nothing else really matters.
I don't get this. Buffalo was the class of the AFC for the better part of a decade, have 4 SB appearances, a HOF coach in Levy, and up until the last 7-10 years, very good front office/upper management. If I am a fan, that is what I want. Success. The Raiders, Chargers, and Rams have all had successful seasons although maybe not recently.
Yes, those things you mentioned weaken franchises. Then why have they had as much/more success? And what is the Lion's excuse?
The fans support the Lions. They constantly sell out the stadium and the merchandise sells. But upper management/ownership is as bad as it gets. And it has been for decades. So the product on the field suffers greatly. And we still pay, watch, and suffer along with them. We get to watch other teams make necessary moves while we sit on HC/OC/DC that have been mediocre at their best, and horrific at worst.
As a fan, do you want hope? Or do you want to know that the team that will never leave will suck forever? Do you want to remember Jim Kelly/Bruce Smith/Marv Levy, or Wayne Fontes, Scott Mitchell, and James Stewart?
I know what you are saying. Buffalo can't support their NFL franchise and Detroit can, so that makes Detroit a better franchise. And it is a good point. But the product that is the Buffalo Bills has succeeded as the Buffalo Bills, and could succeed as the Los Angeles Bills, the Memphis Bills, or the Austin Bills. The Ford family will NEVER give up the Lions. And unless one of the Fords produces an offspring that truly cares about making this franchise a winner, they will NEVER be successful. Ever. Money making franchise? Yeah. Fan support? Hell yes. Successful team? No.
1957. Last Championship! Just a FYI...... :)
Okay, now that the combine results are in....if the Lions keep the 5th pick..
I'm thinking Milliner--blazing fast or, Fisher. Obviously, we need DB help and OL help. It sounds as though the DEs are not really worth a top five pick. It sounds like no one other than Luke Joeckel is really worth a top five pick. So, nothing wrong with a blazing fast, top DB or another quality tackle. Sounds like good value in the 2/3 rounds for quality DEs and safeties.
Completely agree on Fisher or Milliner, based on need. This draft is not top heavy, but VERY deep, especially at a lot of our positions of need (DE, CB, S, OL, LB). Hard to judge which direction the front office should/will go without knowing who will be retained and if they sign any FA's, but I do like Milliner or Fisher at 5.
If we go DE, Bjoren Werner seems to be the most consistent, both before and after the combine. DaMontre Moore's stock took a HUGE hit (12 reps?!?), while Dion Jordan and Ziggy Ansah climbed the boards. Those two aren't as much of a hand in the dirt, 4-3 DE, but more of the hybrid LB/DE trend in the NFL.
I would love to trade down a few spots, pick up Chance Warmack out Alabama, and then get S Adam Elam or the best DE/CB prospect available (CB Xavier Rhodes out of FSU, if he falls!).
Lot's of options, but as stated, this is a deep draft. The more picks we can get, the more needs we can fill with young, quality talent. It's make or break time for Mayhew, starting with free agency.
It's either Ansah or Milliner for me in the first unless Joeckel/Fisher falls. If that were to happen then I think trading down becomes a real possibility with the Cardinals at 7 willing to move up get an OT. If the Lions could get an xtra 3rd or 4th this year and next from them for that it would be a huge bonus.
They could then do something like this
1st) Dee Milliner or Ezekiel Ansah
2nd) Eric Reid, Cyprien, Matt Elam, Okafor*, Datone Jones*
3rd) Devin Taylor*
5th) Johnny Adams**
*assuming they didn't get Ansah
** assuming they didn't get Milliner
Remember folks, Martin Mayhew passed on a really good cornerback last year in Branden Boykin who was the best player on the field in the Georgia/MSU Bowl Bowl Game and was a starter his rookie season for the Eagles. He lasted until the 4th round. This is the Lions we are talking about.
Hopefully Brian Xanders tells Mayhew to get his head out of his ass and draft certain guys this year who actually start/play
Mel Kiper's post combine big board:
1. Jarvis Jones LB/DE Georgia
2. Shariff Floyd DT Florida
3. Eric Fisher OT CMU
4. Dion Jordan DE Oregon
5. Luke Joeckel OT TAMU
6. Dee Milliner CB Alabama
7. Barkevious Mingo LB/DE LSU
8. Star Lotulelei DT Utah
9. Chance Warmack OG Alabama
10. Jonathan Cooper OG UNC
At least the Bills played in multiple Super Bowls and have a HoF QB.
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
Yes, the eagles CBs are something to be jealous of. And Bentley was a great pick, just got injured, and the kid for ALbion they are still high on.
What a crappy Big Board. I want nothing to do JArvis jones. Probably will be the guy the Lions take.
Mayhew will mess it up somehow
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
When Jarvis Jones is the top guy, you have yourselves a bad top 10. The 5th pick is essentially the first pick. Could be a good thing for the Lions though. Unless, of course, they end up with Jones. The rumored stenosis issue with him is just not something you risk on a top 5 guy. Hoping for Fisher/Joekel. OK with Milliner. OL and DB are the weakness of this team. Hoping they don't end up with one of the DEs at 5.
The Lions have never had a completely windless season either. Sure, all their home games are windless, but they invariably have one or two games at a stadium without a dome (not least because two of their division rivals play in outdoor stadiums; Lambeau Field and Soldier.)
"Look at this. An entire generation of Cinderellas, and there's no glass slipper coming." -- Mother in ALMOST FAMOUS
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