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That is not an example of "talking down" to someone. Talking down to someone is being patronizing to that person. If I'm patronizing, I'm talking to, say, a full blown adult as if he were a child. I'd say what I said in the case you cite is scholding, not talking down.
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I hate Taylor Lewan just as much as the next guy, but he made a terrible decision to stay. And I'm not the only one who thinks so. If (and yes, I know that's an if) he blows his knee out, and cannot play any longer, was that really in his best interest? And, let's face it. With the new slotted salary system for the NFL, let's say he was going top 5 this year and theoretically moves himself up to #1 next year, he won't be making that much more now. May have been different just a few years ago.
You can get all high and mighty with the ethical stuff, but when it comes to jobs, 99% of people throw ethics out the window in favor of monetary (and, in some cases, social, etc.) benefit. You may be the one shining knight in this world that puts morals and ethics above all else. In that case, fantastic for you. But I would be kidding myself if I told you that 19-20 year old kids who grew up with next to nothing are going to turn down an NFL contract to play another year for free and risk never having that payday.
We're never going to see eye-to-eye on this, so please let this be the last post I have to make ITT.
all true....fucking Lewan....what a massive douche. Really affected the NFL draft for teams that desperately need a left tackle (which is about 35% of the league) Kid better pray he doesn't hurt his knee, neck, etc.....wtf
Take Matt Barkley. He came back for all of the reasons BoG said. To win a national title and the heisman trophy? How did that work out for him and USC both? He was a first round lock after his junior year even in a stacked qb class. He comes back, has a perfectly mediocre year and hurts himself and now they are saying he is a second round pick even in a terrible qb class
USC went from NC favorites to finishing at 7-6. Awesome. They could have done that even with crappy Wittek starting the whole year, he would have a year experience under his belt and probably would be a decent starter next year. But since that didnt happen they now have a qb controversy with the new recruit coming in.
Case in point where it's not always beneficial for the program or the player to stay.
Well, one of the many points made was that non-cash-money considerations still have a value, even economic value. If that's so, money paid to me in my bank account is not the whole story, as you want to say. You don’t have to consider yourself more “ethical” than the next guy to wonder how Sims and Bell can look Dantonio in the eye and say I'm leaving to take the money today.
Another point not made above is that if a player is hurt, never plays professional football or only plays two or three years, but gets has his degree from MSU, I'm going to speculate that guy, on average, makes more in his lifetime working for himself or The Man, i.e., GM, Ford, GE, Google, and so on, than he did as a pro athlete, with all the vagaries of that money and the exposure to injury.
Why are you so petty? You couldn't spell "moran." I didn't call you out for it, but, since you can't win the argument you start to be a petty schoolmarm. Spelling is important, but this is a sports posting Board. Hellooooo. What's you point? You lost, but you're the better speller? Whooooo.
Am I the only one cringing when I read a BillOGoods' post in this topic?
Right on point there. The teams hire their own analysts/scouts. They've been watching certain players for some time and most won't tell who that player is , so the guy is on the board when they pick. Most won't rely on what these so-called analysts think at all.
The will to succeed is important, but what's more important is the will to prepare.
Right, and it only takes one team to like you. Al Davis selecting Mike Mitchell in the second round ring a bell? Bill Belichick taking Tavon Wilson, the random ass safety who wasn't even on all BIG teams from Illinois in the second (they didn't even have tape to show of him). The Jaguars taking that D (Tyson Alualu?) in the top ten when everyone way projecting him as a late first / early second.
It's hard to tell where they'll go. But this predraft stuff is mostly worthless. Obviously, I'm no expert, but the DE / DT class looks incredibly deep. TE class is weak. RB doesn't look like anything special, and Bell stands out from the pack for his size. With that being said, I think Gholston is the only one who could have really improved his stock.
But then again, the problem with the new rookie fixed salary is it encourages early entrants into the draft. The money drop off in the first 10 picks is huge obviously. I believe late first to third starts at ~4 down to ~3 million. Everything after floats around the 2 million range. Yeah, 1-2 million is a huge amount, but when you consider it spread out over 3-4 years and a bunch of guys rework contracts before the previous one ends, it really isn't.
They've had a record number of early entrants the past few years with the cap. Guys just want to get their rookie contracts over with so they can hit the big market.
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Here's how Bell can do it. "Coach, I want to chase my dreams for the NFL. I'm sure you're aware that I play the position with the shortest shelf life in all of football with an average career of less than 3 seasons. With that in mind, I have to realize I've had almost 750 touches in my career at MSU. On many of those touches, I've been hit multiple times and I look at the contrasting stories of Marcus Lattimore and Bryce Brown. It's not fair that Brown will end up with a better NFL career than Lattimore and it's the reality I see and have to heed. I don't know which touch will be the one that ends my career but I know it could come any day and I'd rather be getting paid while doing so than not. Thank you for giving me the opportunity to play at MSU. Thank you for being the only Big 10 school that gave me a chance. I promise that I'll come back and get my degree when my playing career is over. Go Green."
Ok so back to them getting drafted....
I thought a few months ago Bell was 'one of the best NFL type backs'
And now he's a potential 4th rounder? Who the heck would be ahead of him? Are teams just not looking for rbs this year?
And in that regard, who would be ahead of Gholston or Sims? How can people make these claims, if you put them up head to head with other eligible players are they really that far behind to be considered 4th rounders?
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RB just isn't a highly valued position anymore.
When a player is awarded a scholarship they aren't just handed 4 years of tuition and room and board. They are given exceptional resources devoted to helping them graduate including tutors and advisers that will not be available to them if they decide one day to come back. In many cases these 21 year old kids could use another year in the protective bubble created by the coaches and staff to grow into young men and learn life lessons where the price of screwing up only means running extra laps.
I completely understand the financial implications for players that decide to leave early and as adults they are free to make their own decisions. What many players don't always realize is that if they have NFL talent the money will be there in a year, but once they leave MSU they are leaving behind a lot more than a degree.
10%. Getting real sick of your self-aggrandizing BS.
Back to the discussion at hand...
The draft grades for Bell and Gholston project them as eventual NFL starters, and possible contributors as rookies. Draft grade for Sims projects him as a contributor, and with the league's emphasis on athletic tight ends, he may well find himself starting a few years down the road. I don't remember such contention and outrage from parts of this fanbase when Jerel Worthy left early, why are these three any different?
I've never understood this line of thinking. First of all, as a person in business, do you know how hard it is to catch up to a million dollars in cash that you've had for a year? If you start chasing it one year later, you are one year behind in earnings. Good luck with that. Also, the life span of an NFL football player is 4 years. Leaving college when you're 21 and coming back to it to finish your degree as a 25 year old wealthy guy would be a fricken blast. You're young, you've got money, you're hanging with 21-22 year old hot college girls, you've got a car, a nice place, then you finish that degree and get a job. Not a bad thing in my book.
Tell that to Marcus Lattimore. If he had been allowed to leave South Carolina as a freshman, he would've been a top 10 pick. If he would've been able to leave after his sophomore year, he would've been a mid/late first rounder. Now he's coming off his second blown out knee and will be a 2nd or 3rd rounder at best. I understand your point in regard to Sims (especially) and Gholston but Bell had more reasons to leave than to stay.
This is exactly right for guys projected in the first round and they would be silly for sticking around. What about the guys projected to go in the 3rd round and below?
Even a 3rd round pick is guaranteed more than 500K. Just by making a roster, players are guaranteed almost 400K.
It's hard chasing money. Who knows.
The USA Today article includes quote from a Rivals analyst that thought "he didn't run with passion" in HS. Sorry, that's not at all what you were implying previously. Bell got an MSU scholly because MSU felt he could better the football team. They were also in need of a RB for the class after missing out on White.
On Sims, again, neither the twolvies or any other school had access to him after the legal issues surfaced. I commend MD for not pulling the scholly and sticking with him, but only to a point as the dude was obviously a big time talent. Actually, the more commendable action by MD was keeping Sims away from the program for the whole season and making him earn his way back. I have a hunch a lot of D1 coaches wouldn't have done that.
At any rate, neither of these situations can accurately be viewed as an act of charity by MSU. These players fulfilled their end of the bargain and both parties -- the FB program and the individual player -- benefited from the arrangement (probably the former more than the latter.) It is disingenuous to imply that they still owe the HC or program anything.
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Question for BOG. Does the fact that MD left Cincinnati for MSU while under contract no less make you respect him less? I'm not comparing the two situations but MD wasn't exactly struggling financially when he left for greener pastures (pun intended).
The fact that MD left Cincy makes him a disloyal person.
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Supply and Demand issue. The LTs from A&M and CMU don't mind
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