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Two games in a row, one of our players gets taken out by the other team "diving" for a loose ball by diving right at their knees. That is much dirtier to me than a guy trying to clear space on a rebound. I have no idea how it's not called a foul. Bryd could have f'ed up Valentine pretty easily, and he wasn't even close to the ball when he dove, he just went straight for the knees and he took Valentine down. Hate that shit.
That is all.
I agree. It should be a foul if you're diving through somebody to get at the ball. You should have to have at least a clean angle on it, like a slide tackle in soccer.
absofuckinglutely...bet let's be honest, that's the kind of "gritty, gutty" bullshit Painter pulled when he played. We've had guys like that over the years: Skiles was one of them, difference was he could PLAY unlike Byrd or Painter.
That and jumping on a player on the group in order to force a "jump ball" are my two pet peeves in basketball.
When the announcers were talking about how physical Purdue is because they practice taking charges I threw up in my mouth a little. Physical teams practice rebounding and driving through contact. Bitch teams practice taking charges.
It would be nice if the spartan player was aware of the location of the ball, and also felt compelled to hit the turf for it. Seems like we have fewer ball hawks than teams like Purdue. This could help limit the potential for an injury.
The charging drill has also been used by Izzo.
aka, the Payne bumbling, fumbling act..........you know, when he knocks over his teammate, or fights his teammate for the loose ball or rebound, and then watches it go out of bounds.
I love that loose balls are a free for all. It pisses me off when players don't go all out for them.
I have no problem with Byrd on that play or any other. Kid was very good.
This country was built by people who worked hard then went home and had just a few too many every night. Then went back to work.
That play sucked but I liked that they wanted it. That was the start of them playing high effort and that is how they need to play to be very good.
Let's be honest
If a MSU player did it, you'd be defending him
No, I wouldn't. Diving at the knees when the ball is on the other side of the player is dirty, I've gotten into it playing a lot of times with fucks who do that. Go after the ball. But do not dive into my knees. Huge difference, and players who do that often do it on purpose, to knock you off the ball. Dirty.
Just because the ball is loose doesn't mean that the rules are suspended. Now, I didn't see the game today, so I don't know what happened with respect to a specific play. But if player A has a line on the loose ball, and player B dives into the line, instead of the ball, I'll call a foul every time. If a player jumps on a pile where there there is a loose ball, I'll call a foul. In other words, if you're diving for a loose ball, you need to be diving right at the ball, because if you make contact with someone otherwise, it's a foul.
Yeah. Denzel didn't bust ass to get back to the ball. That's why it happened. Had no problem with that play by Byrd.
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.
No idea how you can say that. It's not about Valentine's effort, it's that Bryd dove directly into his knees and brought him down. The ball was 3 feet from Valentine at the time. Since when are you allowed to physically go through a player for the ball? And the knees- that's an easy injury.
Lemme see if I remember right. Byrd poked the ball away, Denzel lolligagged after it allowing Byrd the opportunity to almost get around him and dive for the ball. Not a lot of contact for a loose ball situation so no-foul was called.
Looked like the way college basketball has always been played.
Tim Bograkos would have never seen the floor if it weren't for the "dive for loose balls" play. Let's be honest here...
Banned 12/30/2010 - 1/7/2011 (for not believing in the power of prayer)
You know what other drill Izzo uses? The war drill, because he isn't coaching a team of flopping vaginas.
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You said loose balls
Damn. I thought this was a thread about chicks giving blowjobs.
So you don't have it right. Watch the replay. Valentine does half-ass it to the ball, but then Bryd dives at his knees and literally knocks him down. Valentine wasn't diving for the ball, he was about to pick it up. Was a ton of contact.
There was a ton of contact. Byrd dove directly into the back of Valentine's knees, causing him to fall down and the ball to go out of bounds. Byrd had no play on that ball, and he didn't "almost get around" Valentine, he went straight through him.
Let's be honest, that is completely different than diving at a person's knees.
Can't believe this thread is on a Michigan State message board. Izzo would
Players Play. Tough Players win goddamnit.
Pussification of America'd
.......and lets be honest, if a player was purposely diving at players' knees, he would be suspended for the year. This is about hustle plays that some pussies on this board don't approve of.
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