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Oh bullshit irish. Gauna has shown he has the ability to knock down a jumper if the defense cheats off him. Nobody called him Tim Duncan.
"losing Caleb Benenoch is a blow that Dantonio will never recover from. Izzo has lost it as well. Hoke and Beilein own the state."
I think they both leave, but we'll be ok. Gauna, Costello, and Kaminski better spend all summer working their ass off. We'll go as they go next year. If Valentine, Appling, and Trice all have a good outside shot, that bodes well. Dawson should continue to grow. The three bigs need to develop some strength to be able to bang down low. Gauna and Costello seem to get pushed around when they're out there.
Payne: Has really impressed this year with his perimeter shooting. That will fit in well in the NBA, where the most effective big men these days all have a reliable 18-foot jumper. He's also a phenomenal rebounder and a good shot-blocker. I don't think any projections currently have him as a first-rounder though. He could probably benefit by working on his low post game and man-to-man defense. Good chance that he really wants the degree as well.
Harris: Easily our most consistent performer. Good defender, good outside shooter, good finisher at the rim. Don't see any projections with him in the first round, either. To do that, he probably just needs to develop one of those skills to an elite level. I think he's got the maturity to do it after one more year.
X-factor: Anybody who leaves early will face the disappointment and judgment of BillOGoods. The players are no doubt taking that into consideration.
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I believe you mistakenly quoted me........or sumtin'. Anyway, maybe we have watched two different Gaunas. The one I have watched 'may' hit a jumper every few games, but hardly ever rebounds/or gets in good position to rebound, and has not made a presence on defense. Costello-yes. Gauna-NO.
Where do you get that he's limited length wise, or defensively? The guy literally has not played at all, he's redshirting. Is there some practice squad report that says he can't play D?
I agree. That seemed a bit odd.
That fact that he's redshirting might have something to do with it. They automatically compare him to Austin Thornton, Gauna, Byrd, the typical redshirt stiffs to play under Izzo. Kenny has been injury prone but we will see what we can expect out of him next year.
Nothing says like a thread where Kevin Garnett is negatively compared to Adreian Payne.... sheesh....
"Tonight, we show the world what this program is made of!" -- Brian Ellerbe on Mar 4, 2000, the night of scUM's 51-point loss to MSU.
The one article I saw said that he was shooting lights-out on the practice team, causing problems for the starters with his play there. Granted we've heard that before, but let's not discard the kid because he got hurt and sat a year. He's taller than Costello, isn't he? With a better shot?
My Blood Runs Green.....
I don't think he's taller, Costello is 6'9', Kaminsky listed at 6'8"
I have a good friend out west who does scouting for one of the big websites, he saw Kaminski when he was a junior shortly after his MSU commitment absolutely light it up on the AAU circuit. FWIW. Said he was absolutely the real deal.
I think he would have played this year without the injury and Costello would have gotten the redshirt. Costello is a breath of fresh air on defense but it's pretty obvious why Izzo was still considering redshirting him early in the season.
Coming out of high school he was given a lot more respect than the 3 stooges you mentioned.
I guess you could just post a link of some footage of those guys from about 1993 to 2005.
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.
Harris is a great talent that needs another year. Payne is a marginal prospect. Pretty decent bet they're both back.
Yeah, that's what makes this thread great. A bunch of people that don't know shit about NBA basketball talking abut NBA prospects.
Which made me look at the draft that year.....The top 4 picks all had stints with the Pistons.
1 Joe Smith (PF) United States Golden State Warriors Maryland-So.
2 Antonio McDyess* (PF) United States Los Angeles Clippers (traded to Denver)[a] Alabama-So.
3 Jerry Stackhouse+ (SG) United States Philadelphia 76ers North Carolina-So.
4 Rasheed Wallace+ (PF) United States Washington Bullets North Carolina-So.
5 Kevin Garnett* (PF) United States Minnesota Timberwolves Farragut Academy HS (Chicago)
6 Bryant Reeves (C) United States Vancouver Grizzlies Oklahoma State-Sr.
7 Damon Stoudamire (PG) United States Toronto Raptors Arizona-Sr.
8 Shawn Respert (SG) United States Portland Trail Blazers (from Detroit, traded to Milwaukee) Michigan State-Sr.
Reality? Looking at him? Every description of him coming out of High School? And reading about him?
He's an undersized, not overly athletic white dude who is strong, can board, and his legit skill is his J.
It does sound like he moves around better than advertised based on what I've read of late though. But he's going to be more like Ballinger mobile than Raymar mobile.
I'm not saying he can't play solid team D or check guys in the post that aren't huge physical mismatches. I'm saying he doesn't have great lateral movement. He is very stout physically though.
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It is funny to see a bunch of posters that say "don't care abut the NBA", "the NBA sucks", "haven't watched a NBA game in forever", talking about whether MSU players would do well in the NBA or not.
"If you're worried about Wolverine fans, just move to Pasadena. You'll never have to deal with 'em."
KG's college stats are laughable compared to Payne's.
FWIW, that Spin move in the post for a slam against OSU yesterday was an NBA move. Absolutely nasty.
How fucking stupid are people? Honestly.
Nobody is saying he'll be 1999 Rasheed Wallace or "The Big Ticket"... They are talking about a stylistic comparison and guys with similar skill sets and weaknesses.
I think Bell is similar to Bettis in style. Does that mean I think he'll be a fringe NFL HOF'er? No. But he has amazing feet, power, good vision, and a lack of top end in a similar package...
Garnett, Payne, Rasheed are all 6'11" ish string beans that have insane length, can/could shoot like few other bigs, were great shot blockers, had good handles for a big, and could run like gazelles in their primes. Would you prefer I compare him to some dipshit with a million dollar body and a 10 cent brain like Stromile Swift, Hakim Warrick or something?
So was the turnaround J.
They'll both stay because I really want them to.
This is where I would be my money.
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