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I didn't see much improvement at all. Bad decisions and poor throws being masked by brilliant individual plays by the WRs is ehat I saw out of Cook.
The Green receivers were vastly superior to the White receivers as a unit. That, to me, was the difference in the offenses.
I agree with you, cook is not a very accurate passer and wasn't crisp on Saturday. However, I believe something needs to change because clearly maxwell is not the answer.
The kid has had 5 years in the program so I'm sorry if I'm a bit skeptical that he will put it all together this summer and be a competent quarterback. Bottom line is that he isn't capable of starting for michigan state if we have aspirations for a rose bowl so we need to look elsewhere.
Cook is a viable option and damion terry wouldn't surprise me by turning some heads in fall camp.
When did I compliment Cook on accuracy? You obviously aren't reading my posts.
You keep saying certain completions/yards after catch have nothing to do with Cook. But you are leaving out the point I made in my last post. Look at the location on the field of where these throws are made. When does Maxwell ever hit a receiver across the middle of the field? Even for Cook's easy touchdown throw in the bowl game, I remember thinking to myself that Maxwell never threw to guys like that across the middle.
This post was edited by Ringer23 12 months ago
If you want to give the credit for Cook's yards to his receivers then you better do the same the other way. Without Troupe's RAC yards, Maxwell's numbers would have looked bowl game-esque. 9-20 for about 70 yards, or 3.5 YPA. Terrible. Cook also made the two best throws in the entire game. The deep fade to Burbridge and the shot over the middle to Lippett (which despite your claim it wasn't a drop, didn't require him to dive and should be an easy touchdown if he finishes his route correctly).
Hey, all they've got to do is score ONE more TD per game this year
and we'll probably be 10 - 2.
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i didn't make it. it sounds like we lost the spring game. goddammit, that's going to be hard to overcome, guys.
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Punting lets you play the field position battle. The odds of scoring drop exponentially the farther you are pinned back. Punting is WAY more acceptable than a turnover because of this.
Also, for the record, Maxwell was throwing foe the sticks on 3rd down on saturday. One of his drops was a pass to Troup on 3rd and 7 or so that would have been a first down if caught.
Lets also not forget that Maxwell was burdened with Roushar's playvalling last year. From what I saw Saturday, I think we will like Warner much better.
I did give Troup credit. My point was Maxwell got one play from his receivers like that while Cook had at least 3 or 4.
Also, thst would have been a tough stretch for Lippett without diving. I'm not as convinces as you.
The throw to Burbridge was a nice throw though snd I did mention it in the initial post.
This post was edited by wingfanjim 12 months ago
Haha the field position battle? You mean where we punt drive after drive and we leave our defense out to dry because they're on the field all game
Then you must not have been watching the game very closely. On the very first play of the game, Maxwell hit Jakubic on a 12 yard dig right between the hashmarka. He dropped it.
It was a perfect throw.
Beats hanging them out to dru by committing 3 turnovers and forcing the defense to defend a short field. At least punting gives the D a chance.
I did read your post. But to say thst a guy completing such a low percentage was getting bigger plays from his guys because his throws were more accurate is silly. Besides, how many outstsnding catches did he get on throws that weren't bery accurate? Think the Arnett TD and the one handed tip by Burbridge.
I admittedly don't remember every play, but if it was a dig like you describe, then I'm guessing it was just like the majority of Maxwell's throws. Quick drop, fire a strike, and even if he catches it he would have been down right there.
I apologize for making a broad generalization in saying Maxwell never throws to the middle of the field, but I hope you can at least understand the point I am trying to make. The majority of Maxwell's throws don't give the receivers opportunities to gain yards after the catch. I've seen Cook, on more than one occasion, wait in the pocket for things to develop and throw it to somebody streaking across the middle. If Maxwell doesn't throw it within the first couple of seconds, we probably aren't gaining yards.
For the Cook lovers: dude will be passed by O'Connor at some point, possibly this coming season. People are sleeping on the kid that many on the roster feels is the best QB on the roster. He's more athletic than Cook and can throw accurately on the run. He's also the only QB in spring practice who out-performed Maxwell for an entire day.
Maxwell is a sliver away from becoming the traditional iowa/uw QB, strong-armed pocket passer who can make a lot of throws and manages games. 66 drops. That's insane. And the roll-outs will help him a lot. Get his feet out of the cement. I already like the play-calling, and it was still slightly vanilla.
And no matter what, the emergence of our WRs and OL are more important than which QB starts at this point. If WRs drop balls like they did last year, ouch. If they step up and make simple catches, whoever the QB is will have over 60% completion rate and over 20 TDs, and we win minimum 9 games.
Once again, I never said he was getting big plays because his throws were more accurate. Where are you getting this from?
I've said several times in other threads that I think Maxwell has a better arm and is more accurate than Cook.
I guess we just disagree. While Cook's throw to Hill wasn't great, it's a play Maxwell doesn't make. The drop by Burbridge and the pass to Lippett (which required leading him to that spot due to the positioning of the LB) were much bigger "non plays" than anything Maxwell had to deal with. Maxwell didn't make mistakes because he didn't take even minimal risk. Its the same reason he made exactly zero plays. Even with Troup's YAC, he still only averaged 5.5 YPA. That is unacceptable and just more of the same. I don't put any weight into any stats from any of the other spring scrimmages because its all situation based and there is minimal information besides what the coaches say afterwards. Cook was better Saturday. Was he good? Not really, but he was better than Maxwell.
I think you're underestimating the difference in WR groups between the two teams. Cook clearly had the better group and the best WR on the team.
"losing Caleb Benenoch is a blow that Dantonio will never recover from. Izzo has lost it as well. Hoke and Beilein own the state."
Fair enough, but this year's schedule looks to be a bit easier. If he throws more TDs but also more INTs it doesn't help us that much. Or we could score more TDs on the ground.
Bottom line is they had a tough time finding the end zone period last year. We don't necessarily need him to throw more TDs, but we do need him to make more plays. It would be nice if he ran for a TD or 5, or at lease made a play to make a first down and extend the drive. If the receivers aren't going to get open or catch balls, he's going to have to improvise somehow. And last year we probably should have seen Bell with more TDs than Maxwell, that's why the play calling was a little questionable.
And which QB actually got to pick his team?
Quick drop? The drop has nothing to do with Maxwell. The play call determines how deep the drop is. They both were running the same plays.
Anyway, for a play with a route with a deeper move in it like a 12 yard dig there was likely a 5 or 7 step drop. I can't remember for sure. The pass hit Jakubic in stride and he had a bit of room to turn up field and make a play if he could.
There was another drop that would have been a big play for Maxwell. On the last drive of the half, Maxwell had Macksood on a five yard crossing route matched up on a linebacker. The defense was in cover 4 and they all bailed deep. Macksood opened up a lot of seperation from the LB and had a good 20 yards od running room between him and the deep secondary. He dropped the pass. He catches that, mac well gets a big play and they are in field goal range.
Also, I'm very confused about some of the criticisms of Maxwell. I've heard he drops back quick and gets rid of the ball because he's too scared to let a play develop. Then, the same people will complain about how he throws underneath all the time. I hate to break this too people, but that is impossible. Short routes are almost always the checkdown routes. The QB has to go through his progressions before he gets to them. Therefore it is impossible for Maxwell to do both.
People need to get their stories straight.
I want what you are smoking. The only unanimous thing to come out of that game was O'Connor isn't ready yet. Not even close. I've knocked Cook on his decision making, but O'Connor was worse. He looked like a freshman out there. He showed flashes, but he needs time...just like Cook.
I think some of the "stories" that you say people need to get straight are coming from different people. It's not like one person is spitting out every type of criticism about Maxwell. We obviously aren't going to agree on this, which is fine. We just see two different things when we watch the quarterbacks play.
Here is my "story" on why I don't like Maxwell:
1. He is very robotic. He drops back and makes the throw that he had pre-planned in his mind based on the play call. If that initial read isn't open, we aren't moving the chains.
2. He appears to lack football instincts. He doesn't have a feel for the game and doesn't run when he can gain yards that way. This goes along with my first point. Being robotic pretty much means you don't have the intangibles to make things happen.
3. I don't see us sustaining long drives and/or making big plays with him at quarterback. A lot of big passing plays are the result of patience in the pocket and giving receivers time to gain separation. Maxwell rarely lets this happen. And yes, sometimes the offensive line doesn't allow this to happen, but Maxwell rarely gives us the opportunity.
Look, I think Maxwell has a better arm and is more accurate than Cook. I also think he would throw less interceptions than Cook. But we saw what an offense looks like with Maxwell running the show, and it was horrible last year. Many people think he will improve this year, but the things I listed above aren't things that can easily be improved upon. I just don't think Maxwell will ever have what it takes to be a successful quarterback. And I think Cook is better at the three things things I listed above.
Irrelevant. The WRs had a noticeable and obvious difference in talent, how the teams became the way they did is inconsequential. Maxwell is a QB not a player personnel director.
O'Connor looked like crap in the spring game. For sure. And coming out of practices, what has been said by players is that he is the best talent at QB on the roster. Only one year separate he and Cook, he doesn't have years to make up to catch Cook. He had, by most accounts, a solid spring, and there was some wonder of who the second QB drafted would be until the coaches put Cook on the other team. He continues working through the summer and has a solid fall camp, and I would not be surprised if he enters the fray. Do also keep in mind, O'Connor had his best practices when the QBs were live.
O'Connor also had the problem of playing for 2 teams. It's entirely plausible that his first pick to Ezra he may have messed up and thought he was on his team. The 2nd pick was a poor throw but the TE cannot let that go sailing through his hands like that.
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