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In the Minnesota game regardless of injury Maxwell struggled making the correct reads and figuring out if a WR was open. IE Maxwell's pick six or the tipped pass for a TD when the WR was triple covered. Injuries do not cause either of these poor reads do. Bell and the defense won the Minnesota game almost inspite of Maxwell.
That is some bizarre "logic".
Agreed. But that's why I was actually pleased with his performance on Saturday. He never made a bad read.
It moved the chains when we had done absolutely nothing up until that point. The rest of the drive doesn't happen without that run and it's another 3 and out.
Maxwell did nothing in that game. Zero. Cook led drives that resulted in 10 points and the other TD came after a muffed punt followed by a Bell touchdown.
If Cook only had a minimal effect on the two scoring drives, then why wasn't Maxwell able to do anything the rest of the game? He couldn't even lead us on a drive that resulted in a field goal. Was Cook just that lucky?
The scramble was good. Other than that though, us scoring on those two drives was mostly coincidence.
Unless you believe Cook handing LeVeon the ball somehow motivated him to turn it on or that Roushar didn't trust Cook enough throwing the ball so he called the trick play on 3rd and 2 because he was in.
I've paid a lot of money to MSU and their athletic program. I can have any opinion I want. And my opinion is Maxwell blows.
Maybe. That TD drive was the best run blocking the line had all game. Also, on the final drive, thst defensive penalty on 3rd down saved the drive. In thst gsme it was pretty lucky as we weren't exactly getting the calls most of the game.
Hey, the run was a fine play, but for all the legend thst was built up from his two scoring drives, he really didn't do thst much. His three completed passes on those two drives traveled a combined 10 yards in the air.
That seems to vastly contradict this glorified image of the downfield throwing gunslinger that the ABM (Anybody But Maxwell) crowd has built for Cook. It just screams of Backup Love Syndrone. Nothing more, nothing less.
So Maxwell plays for 2 and a half quarters and does absolutely nothing. Then Cook comes in and immediately leads a touchdown drive. This touchdown drive doesn't happen if not for Cook's scrambling on the first third down he faced to move the chains.
But it was mostly coincidence. Wow.
You're exactly right. I've said many times that I don't think Cook played that great in the bowl game. I don't even think he's a very good quarterback. I wish we had a better option than Cook or Maxwell.
But Maxwell gave us zero chance to win the bowl game. Cook came in and did slightly more than Maxwell, and it was enough to spark the team and give us the win.
It was mostly coincidence. Even after that run they still had another 80 yarda to go for a TD. That sidnt happen by magic. He made one good play with his feet. Then Leveon Bell, essentially by himself, took the offense from our 25 all the way down to the TCU 15. From there, it was mostly Burbridge.
Hey, if you want to give the credit to Cook thsts your call. I just think a rather large man who wears a #24 would beg to differ.
Spin it anyway you need to. Answer this though. How many points did Maxwell lead the offense to? On how many drives? Now do that for Cook. I assume #24 played while Maxwell was in there, right?
Oh wait? Now he's not a good QB but just better than Maxwell? A page ago you were raving about his intangibles, his pocket presence, how he magically throws perfect strikes to guys in stride while only completing 38% of His passes, and how he throws downfield.
Now, after more careful examination, we are supposed to buy into Cook because he ran the ball for a first down once and then completed 3 out of 8 passes on acoring drives where the guys around him did most of the work?
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I'm sorry, but the sample size the pro Cook crowd is using is just too small. It would be like judging Maxwell solely on his last two drives vs Wisconsin.
3 of 8 for 40 yards and damn near throwing two INTs is not "leading".
The last two times we've seen Cook in public he's shown a tendency to make poor decisions. Especially on out routes as his two near picks on Saturday and one of his two near INTs in the bowl game were on those throws. Furthernore, his pick six he threw against CMU was also on an out route
Now I hate to break this too you, but out routes are a primary play of any offense and ESPECIALLY so for a pro style offense like we run. Until he shows he is better at that, for all his talent, he's a disaster waiting to happen.
You are so ridiculous. You think I was "raving" about his intangibles, pocket presence, and perfect strikes? Wrong.
First of all, I knew you didn't understand what I was trying to say when I was talking about Cook throwing to guys in the middle of the field. I wasn't talking about how accurate his passes were. I was talking about the idea of hitting guys who are in motion in the middle of the field. You kept responding with nonsense about how I was "complimenting his accuracy." I've said several times that I think Maxwell has better accuracy than Cook.
As for his intangibles and pocket presence, they are better than Maxwell's. Period. Never did I "rave" about them.
You just have it ingrained in your head that I'm just some standard fan that always wants the back up. I'm far from it.
I'm not sure what he said amounted to raving about Cook's intangibles, etc. It was more saying that he thinks Cook has these abilities while Maxwell doesn't. It's just funny how much hyperbole you have thrown out there based on your opinions of what would have occurred if everything was perfect. You spout your opinion, I gave you stats, you question them, I give you proof, you move the goal post and claim something else, that is immediately proven wrong. Around and around we go. For all of the slurping you are claiming every Cook supporter is doing, you're doing at least a comparable amount of it the other way.
I'll answer that for you, since wingfanjim didn't...
Maxwell: 9 drives resulting in 9 punts
Cook: 4 drives resulting in 2 punts, a touchdown, and a field goal
No it's not, you can't blame a missed field goal in the first or second quarter for a 2 point loss. You're nuts if you think that you make that field goal that the rest of the game plays out exactly the same way. That missed field goal hurts you the same as anyone of a number of missed tackles, dropped passes that happen throughout the game. Now, if that kick comes in the last minute or two, then it may be a reason to cite the missed kick, but a kick that is missed with 40 minutes to go doesn't "cost you a game".
Thanks..................speaks volumes to me. Not saying he is Joe Montana, but there is something to be said about that stat.
Fact is, none of MSU's QBs are game-changers right now. If you don't have a stud like that, I'm fine with the lowest risk option.
Edit: I'm generally underwhelmed by the current crop of skill position players. For as good as this staff has recruited on D, they've really struggled on O. Cousins, Baker, Martin, Cunningham and Bell are about it in terms of studs recruited and all but Bell came in MSU's first 2 classes. 2009 was a total fail in terms of playmakers and you're seeing the aftermath of that right now.
Horribly disappointed in the RB recruiting. Strangely enough, the OL may be the strongest group on offense . . . which isn't great, considering that that's relative to the other groups. Going to be a very interesting fall camp.
Second edit: I'm not saying that the sky is falling, but if people think that the only thing that needs to happen for MSU's O to be decent is a switch at QB, you'll be very disappointed. As things stand now, Cook may throw more TDs, but he'll throw more picks and pick-6s. If you think not scoring puts pressure on a D, the O giving up points to the other team is much worse.
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Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Wingfanjim is very adamant on defending maxwell... Don't bring logic or stats into this argument (except bad decisions because apparently he doesn't make those)
Maxwell hasn't done anything for people to be defending his starting spot
He'll get his shot in '13. I'm curious to see what he can do with a full OL and all the starting WRs. I think if you trade Burbridge for one of the walk-ons on Maxwell's team in the spring game, then the QB #s are reversed.
A few questions for you, Andrew:
1. Wasn't the offensive line pretty good at the end of the year in the games when Maxwell seemed to play the worst? I could be wrong on this, that's why I'm asking.
2. How confident are you that Maxwell will be our starter for the opener and then continue to be our starter for the remaining 11 regular season games?
3. Is it my imagination that Maxwell's throws don't give receivers a great chance for yards after catch? I don't recall him hitting open receivers who are either running parallel to the line of scrimmage or running vertically. Even the long TD by Troupe in the spring game was a catch with his back to the endzone. I realize the play call has a lot to do with this, but in a much smaller sample size, I've seen Cook do this much more often.
Does anyone truly believe Maxwell will start the entire '13 season? I think he will start the first 3 games and be replaced by Cook when B1G season rolls around.
I think most think Cook will earn a start eventually, I just don't know how sure I am Cook keeps the starting job.
Speaking of moving goalposts, Maxwell was the QB on the Bell TD. He might not have done anything oter than scramble and throw the ball away, but that was his drive none the less.
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