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You're really going to make me answer this, huh? Fine: Michigan. Er, Indiana. No, Michigan. No, Indiana.
The Big Ten is the most competitive conference in America. Just check out the past week’s sequence of events. Wisconsin won at Indiana and then lost at Iowa. The Hawkeyes followed that victory with a 72-63 loss at Ohio State. At one point, Iowa was down by 23 points in that game. There’s so much quality and parity in this league that I can’t see the eventual champ earning the Big Ten title without four losses. I think 14-4 will win the conference. With everything that’s transpired, it’s difficult to envision the schools with one loss (Michigan, Michigan State and Indiana) escaping with fewer than three more losses in conference play, because the next tier (Ohio State, Minnesota and Wisconsin) has already knocked off every team in that group.
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This post was edited by mdm2005 15 months ago
The will to succeed is important, but what's more important is the will to prepare.
Eamonn Brennan better hope there's not any stout defensive team's in Indiana's way on a bracket then. The two best defensive teams they've faced they've lost to and the third (Gtown) took them to OT.
I think it's Minnesota. Any of the top 5 (UM, IU, MSU. Minny, OSU) could go aways with the right draw and some luck, but I think the Gophers are the most balanced. Everything for UM goes through Burke-he gets two quick fouls (unlikely, he's a passive defender who is smart enough to avoid fouls) or someone blows up the screens, I think UM can be beaten anywhere past the first weekend. IU is similarly reliant on Zeller, and he does get in foul trouble from time to time. OSU and MSU are susceptible to a bad offensive game at the wrong time. I think Minny is the most balanced of all the contenders, and the most equipped to handle an adverse situation.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Both UMs are out in my book. You have to have at least some recent tourny success to start talking about making a deep run. Of the other three, IU seems like a team that could heat up and steam-roll some teams on their way to a final four.
So IU going to the Sweet 16 last year gives them a big advantage? I don't buy that. If we were talking Final 4 then I could go along with that.
I could just as easily argue that Michigan is going to be hungrier due to their embarrassing bow out last year.
Or that Minnesota is fired up to do well since they haven't been to the tournament since 2010.
Call me a homer but my answer will always be Michigan State.
the problem with topics like these is they're done in a vacuum. it does not take into account the opponent, matchups, seeding or geography. both michigan and indiana are fighting to get the indy regional, but what if one of them is sent west to LA? does Michigan play as well as a #2 seed not placed in Auburn Hills?
is it a fun topic to discuss? yes. but does it have any validity until the brackets are revealed? nope.
Not a homer in my opinion when you have arguably the 2nd best tournament coach over the last 17 years.
I have to agree with the notion that most often, the teams that end up in the final four have been there before. That's because late run success comes down to Xs and Os by experienced tournament coaches. The quality of the althletes on the floor becomes a virtual wash and the games transition into half court battles. Cinderallas and flashes in the pan are usually eliminated by that point as well.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by mdm2005 15 months ago
Whichever Michigan-based team can get to Auburn Hills, will have a great advantage too. It's still a bit early, but Sunday will say a lot about this team and we just have to hope for no injuries.
Yes, because Tom Crean has coached his team to the final four, so he does have experience with deep run Xs and Os in the tournament.
You guys are putting way too much stock in what colors the players are wearing. So if UofM made a Final Four in, say 2009, they'd somehow have a better chance of going this year?
Experience undoubtedly helps, but to completely disqualify UoM based on some faulty criteria is dumb.
This post was edited by Spartan Dawgs20 15 months ago
We've seen seemingly worse MSU teams make tournament runs before.
For as rough as we appear to look against teams that aren't very good, we still beat most of them, and then we beat actual good teams.
I predict we'll make it to the Elite 8 this year.
If Payne and Nix were more consistent, I might say Michigan State. If Cody Zeller was more consistent, I'd say Indiana. If Ohio State had more than one scorer, I'd say them. Today, on neutral courts, I might say Michigan. They just seem to have more balance. That said, like UM every year, once they live and die by the three-pointer, anything can happen.
Look at the last 10 champs:
2012 - UK - 1 year removed from a FF
2011 - UCONN - 2 years removed from a FF
2010 - Duke - 6 years removed from a FF
2009 - UNC - 4 years removed from a FF
2008 - Kansas - 5 years removed from a FF
2007 - UF - 1 year removed from a FF
2006 - UF - 6 years removed from a FF
2005 - UNC - 5 years removed from a FF
2004 - UCONN - 5 years removed from a FF
2003 - CUSE - 7 years removed from a FF
Of those, Syracuse was the only team to miss the tournament the year prior, and the average showing was a sweet 16 appearance. No team that made the tournament the year prior lost in the first round.
Minny missed the tournament last year and hasn't legitimately been to a FF.
UM got upset last year and hasn't been to a FF since 89.
This post was edited by Zeke4H 15 months ago
I'd like to be on your side on this, but seriously when it comes to winning the whole shebang, what colors a team is wearing DOES count. The same small, elite group of coaches and teams are there at the end every year. That group doesn't include Michigan or Beilein.
I think an interesting question is if it includes Tubby. Did his experience at Kentucky give him enough of an edge to help his team down the stretch against Boeheim, K, Izzo, Self, Calipari, and Pitino?
Actually, it's just the make up of the tournament. Late runs = more established coaches and bigger programs historically, with a few exceptions.
All elite programs. One may have a legitimate argument when talking about coaches that have done it before, but I'm just not buying the notion that because a team made a Final Four within the last 10 years with little or none of the players that are on the current team, their chances of making a deep run are greatly increased.
I can agree that coaching plays a large factor, but if a program makes a Final Four in 2008, I don't see how that greatly increases their chances in 2013.
It'd pain me to see UofM win it all or even make a FF, but anyone who says they're not a threat is lying to themselves.
Minnesota is thin skinned. No way.
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
I'd say UM looks like the most dangerous team. They are also fairly likely to bow out early as a high seed due to 3-point reliance and lack of quality big men. If we get our big lineup working with Nix and Payne, and good 3-point shooting, there's little that can stop MSU. There isn't the same reliance on any one player, as any of Nix, Payne, Harris, Dawson, or Appling could legitimately lead in PPG. Those are big ifs though.
Butler all beg to disagree with you.
I believe that it come down to the experience of the coach. March Madness is a whole different brand of basketball, with much different challenges for a coaching staff. Look at the Gonzaga and Notre Dame teams that have had seemingly very good regular seasons, only to flame out in the NCAAT. Izzo gets it, Mark Few and Mike Brey don't (or at least they haven't yet)
Gonzaga has never made a Final Four.
when they have a history of choking in the tournament and in pressure cooker situations...yeah, it's absurd to mention them. has nothing to do with the color of their uniforms.
you're looking more like a walverine in Spartans clothing.
I believe the term used was a deep run, not FF.
This post was edited by Billy Dee 15 months ago
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