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They've made one Elite 8, 14 years ago.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
And that isn't a deep run? I think most consider Elite 8 a deep run, I certainly do. That's 3 wins in the tourney. Sweet 16 is considered a decent run when comparing relative conference strength. They had very little previous success prior to that run.
This post was edited by Billy Dee 15 months ago
I disagree. And history disagrees.
2012 Baylor made a run to the elite eight, (which could be considered a "deep run") It was the second time they had beed there since 1950.
In 2011 VCU made it to the final four. They had never, and since haven't been back to the sweet sixteen.
In 2010 Butler went to the title game after never having been to the elite eight before.
If you have a good team, you can make a run. Success previous years has nothing to do with it.
Because Mark Few, although a pretty good coach, doesn't yet have the Xs and Os chops for the one-and-done format.
Brad Stephens on the other hand, gets it! He just outcoached Mark Few recently. He has the coaching skills it takes to succeed in the NCAA tournament format from one team to the next. His teams succeed in the deeper stages of the tournament because of his skills.
This post was edited by mdm2005 15 months ago
The will to succeed is important, but what's more important is the will to prepare.
List of teams to make the Final Four (because i think we can all agree this is what we mean by a deep run) without a trip to the final 4 in the previous 10 years:
VCU - 2011
West Virginia- 2010
George Mason- 2006
The point is... year after year teams without Final Four's in recent years have made Final Fours... often because they were just really good basketball teams ( WVU, Nova, Memphis, etc)
In 2009 Missouri made the elite eight after not making the tourny since 2003.
In 2008 Davidson went to the elite eight. They had made it to the sweet sixteen 2 other times in their history (1968, 1969)
There are teams EVERY YEAR that make a deep run with little to no success in previous years.
Don't count out teams like both UMs for stupid reasons.
You guys will not care about my opinion but FWIW I think Minny's downfall could be a lack of depth/injuries. Good team but not very deep beyond the starting 5. IMO UM, MSU and IU all have better chances in the tourney based upon depth. I do agree that MSU could be a very dangerous team if everything comes together at tourney time.
I agree about Minny, but your UM team has 4 guys that are playing over 30 minutes a night. That isn't a sign of depth. And an injury to Burke would cause the wheels to come off that team, literally everything goes through him.
How exactly does Chris Webber calling a timeout when they didn't have any 20 years ago have any effect on what the current group does? It doesn't make sense.
Just because I try to remain somewhat impartial doesn't make me a Walverine. Everyone in CBB right now views Michigan as a legitimate threat.
Will the current group have to overcome some things, such as the fact that the players on the team haven't made a deep run and Beilein has never been to a Final Four? Yes, but I don't think that "disqualifies" them as another poster put it.
It's like the national media forgets who's coaching MSU and always counts them out. No respect but as Long as Izzo is at the helm I will Believe MSU is in the running for the B10 title.
I can post you a much longer list of programs with "really good basketball teams" that get bounced every year!
Yes, there are some exceptions to the experienced coach/program argument, but for the most part deeper runs are made by teams with good Xs and Os coaches, solid gaurd play, good depth, strong interior play and the ability for a team to play a variety of styles and win.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by mdm2005 15 months ago
You're absolutely right. We don't care about your opinion
Yep, scUM is good (makes me want to vomit saying that) but they rely on the Belien offense which is hit or miss.
"We'll play anyone, anyplace, anytime!" - Tom Izzo
Yeah, it couldn't possibly be the team with the coach who's been to six Final Fours.
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A one-possession game lost on the road b/c of a player making a late foolish turnover is being outcoached? Was Izzo outcoached when the obvious hack on Day Day wasn't called?
Fuck brad stephens. How dare you glorify him here.
Let's see, can you count the number of basketball players on this...
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I would, but you are tManWithNoName.
It's all matchups. UM could be toast if they run into a team with quality big men who can get them into a grind it out game. MSU will have a nightmare if we draw a trapping, pressing team. IU is best equipped to handle any style IMHO.
I'm not glorifying him, I'm just giving him credit for coaching his teams to grit out close wins. He's been to the Final Four multiple times and coached in the national championship game.
I agree with your assessments today, but between now and the NCAA tournament, Izzo is going to make sure they can handle the press.
Uh oh. You just set off rocket plays alarm.
"losing Caleb Benenoch is a blow that Dantonio will never recover from. Izzo has lost it as well. Hoke and Beilein own the state."
I'm not sure we have the personnel. Years when we've handled the press exceedingly well have seen a stable of guards who were strong with the ball (Cleaves & Bell, Lucas, Lucious and Walton). Appling is the only guy on the roster who can dribble out of trouble. Dawson is a walking turnover when he puts the ball on the floor and Harris and Trice are strong driving to the rack, but not handling the rock 30 feet from the basket.
Until the teams are seeded it is really difficult to tell. You have to navigate your part of the bracket and your region. West Virginia beating UK is a prime example. UK had a ton of talent but running into a team that played zone and they could not figure out how to score against it was ultimately their undoing. Their answer was jack a bunch of 3's. It will come down to how you matchup with the other teams in your region.
It can come down to a zillion things. Best-of-one basketball is more unpredictable than you all make it sound.
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