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or any Big Ten or Big East team for that matter. They currently are the #2 rpi team and have a #3 sos.
Here are UNMs top ten toughest games compared to MSUs, in no particular order, just so you can get a feel with AP poll rankings next to names.
UNM: @Uconn, @Cinci, @St Louis (18), UNLV, @UNLV, Colo St, @Colo St, SDSU, @SDSU, @Boise.
MSU: @IU (1), IU (1), Mich(4), @Miami (5), Kansas (6) @OSU (16), OSU (16), @Wisky (17), @Minny, Illinois. Of course we will replace @Minny and Illinois with @Mich and Wisky at home once we play them.
But still, is this a joke? No one can honestly think that UNM has played a tougher schedule?
The only semi legit reason would be that maybe they play more road games against decent teams and we always have the December stretch where we play Jack Shit State and a bunch of other teams with 250 and lower RPI's and those games are at home.
That being said we'd have like 2 or 1 losses with that schedule.
Pretty comical as we've had the crazy hard B1G schedule where we do or will play all the top teams 2x.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Pylon St8ofmind 14 months ago
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Seems like the RPI SoS cares way too much about the cupcake games you play. We play a home game that we have a 99.9% chance of winning, but they play a road game they have a 99.0% chance of winning. But somehow that makes a big difference.
They do not play many lower RPI teams. MSU played 5 teams below 200 (6 of you want to count PSU) and NM played one. I do think there is a problem with the way RPI is formed, there is no way that everyone they pay in conference other then Nevada and Fresno St. are top 100 when Nebraska, Purdue, Penn St, and Northwestern are in the 100s. For some reason the mid majors get a more favorable score then I think they should. Maybe I am being a old fashioned power conference honk, but if those 4 were placed in the Mountain West I doubt they all would be at the bottom.
Plus NM has not played a single team in the top ten. All year. How that gets you a top 5 SOS is moronic.
Totally. The difference between #1 and #20 is probably more then the difference between #100 and #300. I think they would take a team that played #1 and #100 and another that played #50 and #51 as the same SOS.
This post was edited by MadMaxim 14 months ago
I'm not normally a huge believer in discrediting a team based on one performance, but elite teams don't get held to 34 points by any team, let alone an average San Diego State squad.
NCAA Men's Basketball Recap: Final statistics from the New Mexico Lobos vs. San Diego State Aztecs game played on January 26, 2013
It's more of a measure of how consistently strong your schedule is rather than just what's at the top. At the top MSU has New Mexico beat (according to these stats), but while MSU was playing SWAC teams, Loyola Chicago, Nicholls State and La-Laf, New Mexico was playing teams that are now piling up wins and leading their leagues (Davidson, Valpo, Saint Louis, South Dakota State, Mercer, etc). Sometimes it's just about getting a little lucky - three or four mid majors you played end up winning their leagues and getting berths into the tournament (has happened to MSU in the past with Lehigh and Oakland). Other times you just need to not schedule multiple SWAC teams. MSU does this every year and it just takes a tire iron to the RPI, SOS numbers.
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It is in the scheduling. Some "mid-major" programs found out a way to tweak the system to their advantage. Basically you schedule your home games, the cupcakes, to be teams that will finish out really strong in their conference. It makes a huge difference, because the schedule isn't weighted, it is just and average thrown together.
For example, if you play the #5, 6, 20, and 295 ranked teams, your average will be 81.5.
If you play #56, 61, 65, and 85 ranked teams, your average will be 66.75.
The first set is much harder, but you end up with a lower number.
This. If I were a coach, I'd play road games at Davidson, Belmont, Wichita and Valpo every single year because those teams are pretty much locks to have 23-25 wins and be in the tournament. Four winnable non-con games for a Top 25 program that not only help your SOS, but also help your RPI because you're going there to play.
Frankly, a lot of mid majors have started doing things like this to manipulate the system and that's why you see bizarre RPI rankings like Colorado State at 11 or Middle Tennessee State at 27.
Michigan State's strength of schedule is lower every year because they don't have to play Michigan State.
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To be fair, any MSU team could schedule the same way if they wanted to, and it's no secret how the RPI works. The difference is $.
I don't believe these rankings either, but if statistically it's set up fair, and UNM can get that high, let them. Give them the great seed, let them fall. That's better than rigging it so that it takes a school 10 years to get recognized as being worthy. (like in football)
Or better yet, i've said forever they should change the RPI so that beyond #150 (the number of schools with a legit shot at a postseason tournament) all wins count as being equal. Just give a couple years notice so that if a team like UNM wants to work their schedule to their advantage, they can.
MWC gamed the hell out of the RPI this year. If you look at their schedules, all of their teams (except NM) played at least one non-D1 team. That's much better for the RPI since the game doesn't even get counted. Instead of a 300+ RPI killer, you get the ticket revenue from a home game and no RPI penalty. When the whole conference does it, it multiplies. Plus they used the scheduling tricks already mentioned in this thread. Will be interesting to see if the committee sees this and does anything about it or not.
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