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Not score enough
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More pressure than ever on Conroy to be perfect this year because MSU isn't scoring TDs. Doesn't help that Coach "Balls of Steel" has been channeling his inner George Perle$ at crunch time playing not to lose instead of to win. Both Iowa and SCum were games we should have won...and in 2010 and 2011...they would have. The last two losses are mostly on the coaching staff (Roushar & MD) and the offense's lack of both execution and production. The defense played well enough in both games to win...same with vs O$U. This team should be 7-1...they just should be. No excuses for it, and as fans we don't want to hear excuses for it either. We just want results.
"I love March!" - Tom Izzo
We talk like we want to compete at the highest level. Well, think of top ten-caliber programs. How long would they put up with inept offenses like ours before making a change? wusconsin and o$u may be a bunch of dicks, but they're serious about winning.
MSU seems to be more interested in promoting a family atmosphere. I'm afraid the real reason is b/c we're cheap.
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"You make sure when you come, you got a little blood in your eye, a little blood in your eye, a little fire in your belly. We there yet?"
Lets not forget Ohio State.
Lets also not forget there have been at least 2 occasions where the O Line can't get a TD play with 1st and goal.
I love that there is this thread, and 'tOfficial' one and they are both like 7 pages.
You are full of shit Bruce. No offense but in the Big Ten MSU's DC and OC are only behind umaa and OSU's in paying their top asstsants. Those raises came after the Georgia win last New Years Day
OSU's Fickell and umaa's Mattison make $750K/yr umaa's Borgess is the highest paid OC at $650K.
Then there is the resources issue. Both those schools have stadiums that seat over 100,000 and both schools have more season tickets sold annually.
I don't know how much truth there is to any of that, but I do know that plenty of programs with consistent long-term success would be much less patient and understanding than we're being. And it's going to kill us.
This post was edited by Spartanfish1982 21 months ago
This, and it isn't much of a secret. Before the assistants got raises they were near the bottom of the BT payscale. Even with the raise Narduzzi stayed for less than he was worth. Seems to me MSU shouldn't be worrying about the size of the fuckin' scoreboards when they don't pay their assistants what they need to compete.
I'd be frickin' fine with one of those black boards with holes for lights and the team names slid into slots if MSU was winning.
This post was edited by spartan80 21 months ago
Who says we cannot get a better OC with the same pay Roushar is getting?
We're not getting Oregons OC, how about a mid-major OC? Something, ANYTHING!!
Here's the thing, and I think D.Wags pointed this out before: if MSU does get a new OC, the offensive philosophy won't change. It's still going to be a pro-style offense, run-between-the-tackles and throw in deep play-action passes.
I saw Maxwell overthrow Mumphery on what would have been a 55 or so yard TD pass, and Burbridge drop a 30+ yarder down the sideline. Both of those play-calls had the offensive players in the right spot to make a play and the players didn't execute.
I'm not defending Roushar here as much as I am trying to show that it's been a complete offensive failing this season. Not one part of the offense executes well. I think that goes for the entire offensive coaching staff; the OL coaching has to be among the worst in the conference. I don't necessarily know if a new OC alone is going to make things better; I think you have to look at the positional coaches as well.
Fact is, if MSU is going to run a pro-style offense, they have to get better on the OL.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
They have to get better at EVERY position...including the backups. I have never defended Roushar and still think he is a big part of the problem, but he's not the ONLY problem. This offense has been a total TEAM fail. Bad playcalling and coaching, inconsistent to poor line play, inconsistent play at QB and WR, no running game option other than Bell. No use of the TE in the passing game with Sims out. Not taking what the defense is giving you. Just running the same plays over and over in willy nilly fashion. No apparent gameplan in place, no setting up the D by running certain plays to run another that may end up to be a big gain. Just random play selection and if something works and the D can't stop it, it's only run a couple of times and then abandoned to try something different.
Isn't Roushar still the O-line coach in addition to OC?
I agree that nothing is going right this season, but I still think Roushar needs to go and at this point I am convinced the entire future of this program depends on it. Yes, this is skies-are-falling talk, but I honestly thing we will backslide tremendously with that guy heading our offense.
Staten coachs the O-line.
So Roushar and Staten leave and Enos returns and bring in another stud recruiter and problems solved.
There is absolutely positively no deception on offense. I've thought the same thing a few times. Everyone watching a game at home or in the stands can figure out what's about to happen on 9 out of 10 plays. That's not youth. That's not injuries. That's....
This is the question I would ask- if Roushar is canned, would any BCS program hire him as an OC next year?
Welll...to that I say "Keep hope alive!" At most, I think MD will demote Roushar back to O-line coach. Don't know where that will leave Staten either. That's at most, IMO. I just don't see MD pink slipping Roushar. I just don't see that happening.
Rocky, sometimes you bring in a new supervisor and he shapes up the unit.
I was thinking about this over the weekend and thought about the opening part of Patton when he takes over the II Corp that got slapped around at Kasserine Pass. MSU needs a Patton on O, and he'll be able to tell if additional changes need to be made.
"In about 15 minutes we're going to start turning these boys into fanatics...razors. They'll lose their fear of the Germans...I only hope to God they never lose their fear of me." - George C. "Patton" Scott
Maybe a MAC team, but anyone looking at an O that is 109 out of 120 in scoring O & averages less than 20 points a game isn't going to be tremendously impressed.
That's fine; I'm just saying that we shouldn't expect a shift in philosophy, and no matter who gets in there, MSU won't look anywhere close to decent without a solid OL.
I don't think the philosophy needs to change. There's plenty in the playbook that isn't seeing the field.
My opinion individually isn't worth much, you're right, but there are many who have similar opinions to me.
Fan apathy is a dangerous thing my friend.
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