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No obsession here, just curiosity. With all of the ballers on the RCMB, there must be some of you out there who had some run ins/experiences with some of the "allegedly" illegal goings on within the scUM basketball program over the years. On the morning of them losing their #1 ranking, just thought it would be interesting to hear some of the 'real' stories. Don't make shit up. Just join in if you have anything to share.
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Better question, I think is, who cares?
Why is the word allegedly in quotes? There was grand jury testimony that players took money. That is more concrete than any NCAA findings of any violations at any school has ever been, There is nothing alleged about the Michigan basketball scandal. Jesus, even our own "fans" are becoming revisionists.
I grew up in AA, was a freshman in HS the same year those clowns were freshman at UM. Three experiences stand out from high school.
1) As a freshman in HS myself, buying candy at the Blue Front liquor store on campus, Jalen Rose is in front of me buying a case of 40s (he was 18/19 at the time, not carded by the clerk). The clerk needs to get a box for all the 40s and goes in the back. Jalen turns to me and my friends and says "quick, steal all you can while he's in the back - I'll look out".
2) Everyone used to hang out on South U in those days in front of the old Tower Records/Burger King (down the street from Charleys). All the ballers would pimp their cars down the street real slow bumping their stereos. The Fab 5 all had nice new cars/rims/expensive stereos, etc, and weren't shy about flaunting it. I seem to remember Juwan in a new Grand Cherokee, Jalen or Jimmy King in a new Honda Prelude, etc.
3) After the Fab 5 (this was probably 1995 or so, I remember being at a UM house party (they regularly let in High School kids as we were cooler and partied harder than most of the poindexters running around campus) and getting passed a joint from Maktar Ndjaie (spelling?) Louis Bullock and those guys.
The quotes are meant to bring to light the comedy that these idiots were ever thought to be legal in the first place. Want to someday hear perspective from Heathcote/Izzo to really know what was going on there.
I was at a friends house in Detroit once and it was raided. Jalen and I were just playing Nintendo but I guess some of the guys 5 feet from us were using and dealing crack.
My neighbor went to um. She said she saw webber pissing in a water fountain in some dorm. Also saw players just walking into stores and taking beers then walking out without a thought. She said there were a lot of people who didn't like them because of this attitude.
Full disclosure I would piss in a drinking fountain if I were tall enough well not anymore but I would have at one point.
This country was built by people who worked hard then went home and had just a few too many every night. Then went back to work.
to point #1) Not sure if you were a regular at the Blue Front, but that clerk was Primo. Funniest thing about that place was that if you had been in the ONE time previous, you were 21 in Primo's book. Easiest place to buy underage in AA.
Point 3 is interesting, but thats also every school's athletes, D3-D1. We've all done it. Still, good stuff.
One did make me laugh. Tons of under aged kids a buying beer this very second.
Interesting if true.
I have a bit of a funny story, though it doesn't involve any of the original Fab Five. It does include Travis Conlin of "Fab Five 2". Quick note that's important to the story, I am 6'5" and at the time, about 250. Regardless, I was visiting my friends who went to UofM the weekend of the Michigan vs Ohio State game in 1997. (I got my ticket for 90 dollars, can you imagine what it would go for today?). Anyways, after the game we were hanging out at my friends fraternity house on State street, about 2 blocks from the corner of State and Packard which is where a lot of the liqour stores are. I was only 19, but I had a fake ID. About 8 pm I go down to Campus Corner (party store) to buy beer for the night. As I walk in, walking in behind me are about 5-6 UofM football players along with Travis Conlin. The football guys all have their brand new Big Ten champions hats on with roses or whatever.
So the guys running Campus Corner are going crazy, saying hi and talking to them about the game. A couple of the football players as well as Conlin stay at the counter to chat with the guys running it and a few of the other players go to the coolers and grab a bunch of cases of beer, I would say between 8-10. I am right at the cooler when this happens, and I have 2 cases of my own. So I follow the football players up to the front, and when we get there the guys running the store are congratulating everyone and watching them walk out with the beer without paying. So I am a big guy and I just kinda inch along next to the players and the Campus Corner dudes just congratulate me along with them thinking I am one of them. I also have always wondered what else the guys up front may have gotten for free when I couldn't see them, like liquor or anything else I suppose. Super funny, but at least I got some free beer.
NOTHING HAPPENED! Ed Martin was a nice old man who helped kids in the Detroit area. He gave them shoes and stuff. Regardless of where they went to school. Then he bought Jalen a pizza once in college. Weber took some money, but not until after his last season, and from an agent. Their 2 national titles and 2 big ten titles need to be recognized IMO.
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I was at a basketball camp when I was in high school - 1992ish, so I think they were freshman? Anyway, Weber was at the camp (as was his brother) and he participated in the camp dunk contest. He did a lame windmill in his first attempt. Next up was some 6'2" white dude who did a 360. Weber quit and said there was no way he could beat that. Kinda cool. Still remember that kids dunk - it was nuts.
Also, even though Martin was the ringleader of an illegal gambling operation that was laundering money through various high-profile basketball players for decades, there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that point shaving or game fixing was ever involved. Don't you even worry your pretty little head about it.
In fact, the very notion that organized crime that revolved around illegal gambling had anything to do with sports is so completely preposterous that we must all shut off our brains immediately!
You tell a story like a girl...get to the freaking point.
Get off my lawn.
Just tryin' to help out a few unfortunate kids.
Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner. I can't wait for the next troll to begin a thread bringing attention to the biggest loser team in NCAA history.
One of my better moments. Thanks for bringing it up.
I'm not going to get into too much detail, but my sister went to high school with a kid who played baseball at UM. His family was pretty poor, and they were even on the church's needy family list at Christmas (part of the reason I'm not getting into much detail here). Anyway, he went to UM on full scholarship for baseball, and his family suddenly had a brand new BMW.
Not Fab 5 related, but it fits the theme of the thread. I promise this story is completely true.
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