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How bout the no call on Trice in the act of shooting? Dude got rocked..
Illinois attempted 25 3 pointers. You don't get to line much with that game plan.
I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.
So in conclusion everytime MSU loses its the refs fault, everytime they win its earned. Got it. Perfect logic
This shit goes both ways. We shot free throws on like five straight possessions in the second half. HOME TEAMS GET CALLS
This is the best comment i have seen in this thread. I have seen so many rants on the officiating on this board, then tonight, i saw: refs didn't matter, we earned it (which MSU did, mind you), etc .....
And yes, Michigan gets the benefit of a lot of calls, especially at home.
But this board (and Michigan fans are no better, if not worse at complaining about refs, crowned fields, slow timekeepers, etc) is quite humorous when it comes to referees and conspiracies.
Fire away at me.
I guess I just think B1G officials suck balls and are consistently horrible. The difference tonight was, other than Trice, MSU wasn't the team getting screwed. For once.
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We were more aggressive yes, but a lot of those plays that could go as no calls, were called in our favor. A lot of them. We got some home cookin. Delusional if you think otherwise.
Today was payback for Sunday, and we barely capitalized.
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Missing 2 shots in the 2nd half doesn't hurt..
#SPARTY the F* ON!!!
Agree. Hightower saved our asses. Irony at its finest.
Perhaps this could be bumped each time we get a nice home court advantage that saves our rears.
I am hoping that we have a reversal from last year and don't have similar experiences to the Michigan and Ohio State games at the Breslin last year.
I just watched the second half. Other than the refs not calling 2 fouls on Dawson late, one could have been against Paul and one against Abrams. There was a ticky tac foul called on Betrand guarding Valentine around the 10 minute mark, but it was not in the act of shooting. Other than those 3 fouls MSU was getting fouled. 10 of MSU's foul shots were the Illini trying to extend the game. Appling was fouled shooting a 3.
Speaking of Appling, with no Trice for second half and Harris out at the 12 minute mark, MSU only took 2 jumpshots the last 12 minutes. Both were 3's by Appling, 1 he made, 1 he was fouled on. For a team that was forced to go inside exclusively because of injuries, MSU was getting fouled because Illini did not want to give up easy buckets. Illini settled for jumpshots. You are not drawing fouls like that. When they did score near the rim it was off an offensive rebound from a missed jump shot.
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But Indiana wasn't getting fouled the other day, right?
The point was that going inside was getting whistles. IU got whistles when they went inside, and then choose not to continue to do that. I like Illinois (and their fans) but they are a poor defensive team that was getting repeatedly burned on the same offense over and over. They did not adjust the way MSU did.
IU did not go inside. Their big man and POY candidate scored 9 points. They took 21 three pointers, and somehow drew 18 fouls and got 20 FT attempts.
If we can trick Coach Krzyzewski into saying his own name backwards, perhaps he will be pushed back to the fifth dimension
There is a difference between the refs either letting them play, or calling a lot of fouls. We got a benefit because they were tough on the fouls and calling them a lot, we were the aggressive team so we got more benefit from it. Illinois jacking 3s instead of getting in the paint was idiotic and poor game management.
The Indiana game we were still going inside and couldn't get calls, but on the other end they were making shit up to call against us(Nix travel, all the out of bounds calls).
If your analysis of a teams fouls is as simple as you either get fouls called or you don't, without looking at the situation around the plays and the offense and defense the teams are running, then clearly you lack the basketball understanding to be chiming into this discussion.
No one said that they didn't deserve all of their foul calls on their end of the court, but letting three guys jack into nix on a loose ball, then call a travel when he didn't even have possession because of the fouls, that's clearly not what happened last night.
Lol. The denial some people have on here is astounding.
I think we got some tough whistles in the second half at IU, but I understand that refs are human and home teams get more of those borderline calls.
Last night while some of our fouls were 100% earned there were a lot of ticky-tack calls. If you can't admit we got some friendly whistles last night there's really no point in talking to you.
I was there, thought the refs were inconsistent, not the worst I've seen. Izzo wasn't even talking to Mike Eades.
Dawson did hack the crap out of someone late and it went uncalled (Brandon Paul I think)
"There is a difference between the refs either letting them play, or calling a lot of fouls. We got a benefit because they were tough on the fouls and calling them a lot, we were the aggressive team so we got more benefit from it. Illinois jacking 3s instead of getting in the paint was idiotic and poor game management.
If your analysis of a teams fouls is as simple as you either get fouls called or you don't, without looking at the situation around the plays and the offense and defense the teams are running, then clearly you lack the basketball understanding to be chiming into this discussion."
You didn't seem to read this the first time, so I'll post it again. Calling easy ticky tack fouls is one thing, which Illinois would have gotten had they EVER went inside in the second half. That is not what happened at IU. Both played aggressive in the paint and only one team got calls in the final minute when it counted.
It was Paul and Abrams. Both in the last 4 minutes.
The simple fact that you think the refs at IU were purposely making shit up to call against us is laughable.
This thread is a great example of why nothing will ever be done about the inept referees. We're OUTRAGED at how they called Sunday's game, but can convince ourselves a 34-15 advantage in attempts last night was completely straight up.
Sure, MSU spent more time in the paint than Illinois did. But we also spent most of Sunday's game on the perimeter, so does that mean that game was actually called well?
College basketball refereeing is a mess, and until someone in a position of authority has the balls to admit that even when it happened to help their team nothing is going to change. Home teams will get every touch foul called for them and road teams will have to be spear tackled to get a whistle. And we'll all just say "Well, that's why it's a home court advantage!"
"You don't know anything about basketball"
It doesn't hurt that Izzo was having a "lively" discussion with one of the refs (not Hightower or Eades) at the end of the 1st half & then before the start of the 2nd. Noticed that Hightower had to come over at the start of the 2nd & intervene in that discussion.
The refs obviously feel the heat of the home team coach & the crowd. Once Izzo got his points across, there was a noticeable difference in how some of the calls were made.
I'm not sure what game you were watching Sunday, but MSU spent most of its time on the perimeter - especially in the second half. The times we did work it down low it was usually kicked out to the perimeter. We attempted 23 3's - more than IU, which is one of the leading 3 point shooting teams in the country. Our players with the most shot attempts were Harris and Trice.
To be clear, I think the refs were terrible on Sunday and it was blatant home cooking. But I also think that same factor helped us last night when we got the benefit of the doubt on a LOT of touch fouls.
Having to go inside exclusively because Harris left at the 12 minute mark and no Trice was the biggest reason for the foul disparity. Illini were fouling rather than giving up more easy shots than they did because MSU went inside exclusively.Illini were shooting jumpshots. Their only interior scoring came off put backs from missed jump shots. You are not drawing fouls shooting jumpers and playing exclusively on the perimeter unless you are the home team in Bloomington.
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