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GR could use a D1 university, but I'll agree with the rest.
What exactly is your argument? This thread is about emerging downtowns. Not "best downtowns in the world with everything you could ever want!" What you described is exactly what I would label as "emerging".
The only other one that comes to mind is TGI Fridays, and I guess Subway off of Rosa Parks Circle (the only fast food restaurant in downtown proper that comes to mind, incidentally).
But yeah, I'm finding it increasingly difficult to reconcile GRR's "facts" with his claim that he's in the city on business several times a month. He's just so woefully uninformed that I imagine him spending his entire visit watching porn in his hotel room.
You mention the fact that the city votes democratic like its a good thing...
A. Way to Wells up the thread
B. Voting democratic is linked to increased numbers of young people, minorities, and mixed socio-economic statuses; which is why I included it in my "GR isn't lily-white" paragraph.
B. pt 2. The suburbs of GR, which ARE lily-white, are the bastions of the GOP in the state, and are where many of the negative preconceptions and misconceptions of GR (no diversity, only chain restaurants, unwalkable, closed after 10, closes on Sunday) appear
Subway doesn't count. I always forget about TGIF ... never gone there. So, we've got three. All other cool downtown's must have less than three.
Born and raised in GR. Been here all my life. Outside of the sports teams, most people in West Michigan could care less about the east side of the state. I've never heard anyone compare or want to be compared to Detroit.
Chicago, Indianapolis, Milwaukee, yes - but Detroit? Nope
Hopcat, Founders and Vivant is reason enough for me to like GR. People from GR need to realize that Metro D is vast and not all the same. That's what bothers most eastsiders. Detroit is a shithole! Well, if you've only been to Taylor, Wyandotte and Detroit proper it might seem like it but you cant assume all of metro Detroit is like that. Is metro D sprawled to hell? No question, but there is nothing significant GR has that can't be found tenfold in the tri county area.
That only furthers solidifies the proof of how truly delusional Grand Rapids is. Grand Rapids is a nice medium sized town, but it isn't even in the conversation with any of those cities.
Grand Rapids should focus on just being who they are, not comparing itself to those cities they dont even come close to conparing to or trashing Detroit because it can't accept that it isn't even top dog in its own state.
Again, my comment was alluding to people under 35 - mostly single or married but childless young professionals. If you're married with a family GR seems like a good place to be.
I just think for most YP it would be incredibly boring. The only people I know who went to GR right after college are people who grew up there. For those who lived in a real city before returning at least they got out there and experienced some different things. From reading this thread it sounds like I have more restaurants on my block than there is in all of downtown GR.
People from GR picture everything east of US 23 as some sort of wasteland when it is far from the case. Even in Detroit proper their are some truly great areas.
Also, lets not pretend that GR doesn't have some shitholes too. Its not the paradise they make it out to be. Its a nice place that doesn't need its people taking pot shots at Detroit for people to recognize that.
Speaking of 131, if you want to see downtown explode, get rid of it through downtown.
A few thoughts:
GR will always have it's haters, especially those from the Detroit area that seem to resent it's relative success. No "Emergency Manager" here, and a huge chunk of GR area state tax dollars goes to prop up Detroit.
Much of the criticisms have been debunked, so I won't get into those. I will focus on some of the areas where GR has been given national acclaim, and I suspect that if someone had predicted any of them 15 years ago, they'd be laughed out of the room:
1. "Beer City USA". Already the best, with more on the way.
2. Art Prize garners national and international attention yearly, despite being a very young event. It's been copied elsewhere without nearly the success. Already the best event of it's type, getting bigger, and not going away.
3. Green building initiatives and sustainability. Who would have thought it'd happen here?
4. Brownfield reclamations. A boom in redeveloping and repurposing outdated buildings and projects. Largely has been done by renovating, rather than bulldozing unique architecture only to replace it with a concrete box. The public/commercial building in and around downtown are the obvious example, but hundreds of homes in "near downtown" areas like MidTown, East Hills, the near west side and other areas have been renovated in recent years.
GR isn't Hong Kong, but it isn't a disaster of tax subsidies and failure the way Detroit is either. The more people living outside of Michigan learn about GR, the better it is for the entire state.
Agree- Detroit proper has lots going on. I am a huge critic sometimes of Detroit but I can't stand the ignorance of others when judging this area.
These are all pretty liberal movements and a step towards GR losing it's label of "Bland Rapids"
This post was edited by Narwhal 13 months ago
But fair comments, except the "tenfold" part.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by bulldogg 13 months ago
do you want to have a nice house and raise a family with good schools? Live in GR
dont they have that big ol strip club down on wealthy now too near the amtrak station?
Question for the GR people, since I'm not home much anymore. Has the Taxi situation gotten any better or do you still have to call one to get you
This is my fav thing about Chicago, I never ever have to wait to find a ride home after a long night
This post was edited by beal99 13 months ago
Tons of great beer in and around Detroit. Dozens of beer bars, breweries and craft beer events dot the landscape all year long. Still love Founders and the Winter Beer fest though. It's all good,
don't forget ultra conservative white people
I turned out alright :P
Lake Effect snow sucks. I would be miserable in GR in the winter.
THIS THREAD SUCKS NOW....
A criticism I can understand, and it's actually warranted.
I actually prefer snow in the winter, it makes everything look nice, and it's literally never stopped me from going anywhere.
Without it during the winter months, everything in Michigan is brown and gray. For me, winter without snow would be summer without sunshine.
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