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If you weren't bitter, you would have just said "Good luck to Bell/Sims/Gholston" and left it at that. You've got almost as big a problem as nysparty1.
tRCMB - Visit at your own risk of being disgusted.
Someone please re-ban that POS BOG. Thanks.
tRCMB - Where MSU fans eat their own.
I'm rubber and you're glue. Whatever you say bounces back and sticks to you.
it wasnt meant as a compliment...
and you didn't have to answer it here, but way to be a complete douche about Payne possibly leaving for the NBA in another thread, at least you are consistent in your asshatedness (that's also not a compliment, you seem a little slow, so I want to clarify for you)
Go Bears, Blackhawks, White Sox, and Pioneers.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand
So, let's see, if you disagree with the GB, then you must be bitter. There are no other possibilities. You, GB---and I don't want to be critical here, I think it's just being honest---have a limited imagination preventing you from discerning more alternatives than your prejudices allow. That's not good for your future prospects of employment, earning power, and life satisfaction. Try to improve.
says the man who refuses to consider any opinion about leaving early other than that it is bad for the program and you as a fan, and therefore the athlete shouldn't do it, irregardless of any nuanced factors in their life.
"Asshatedness" isn't even a word---and I'm slow? You can't read very well. I said I was going to take your statement as a compliment. I didn't say what I thought you meant.
This thread is like a tattletail's mahfuckin' paradise.
The mods should delete this shit and ban themselves.
Earth to the critique of others: there is no such word as "irregardless." You meant regardless.
As far as taking other opinions into account, how many other opinions do you have about fascism? Besides, I've made myself clear in other posts. There are obvious exceptions to exhausting your four years of NCAA eligibility. I've cited Magic Johnson. There are others. Go argue with Red Berenson. We think alike on the topic.
Besides, I've challenged you to argue how early departures are good for our sports programs. I have yet to hear a cogent argument about that. I certainly don't hate anyone for leaving early and have never said that. At worst, like Bell, they are good Spartans and while here they performed well. They deserve their props for that. But let's not get carried away, unless they are in that exceptional category, they cannot be great Spartans. Bell could have won the Heisman next year. So, good Spartan, not a great Spartan. He's a guy who used MSU as a stepping stone. It's not a crime, but there's no need to put him on a pedestal, either.
I'm waiting for your cogent explanation for how early departures of your best athletes help on balance, and don't hurt, on balance, our programs.
Well said. Just like in the Federalist Papers, folks would do well in taking your advice.
Grow up, meat. Do you realize what you're doing calling for me to be banned? First of all, you look like a fool because I haven't done anything to deserve banning. Second, you're being a suck up to the MODs. They don't need your help. They have important things to do.
Fellas, I'm gonna tell you what my older brother told me and my younger brother when we were bickering: "And I know something neither one of you knows -- when to quit!"
Thank you, Denicos.
The butthurt is so strong ITT. Someone needs to call this guy:
it doesn't matter what is best for the program, the coach, or the fans. The players have to do what is best for them and their success in life. They play a physical game with a limited window to make their money (even more true in football, especially a position like RB). If they take the time to make the educated decision that leaving is the best thing for them and their future, who the fuck are you to criticize that decision. Education will also be there for them to return to should they need it after athletics, but every year in college playing football/basketball is another year of wear and tear on the body that the athlete isn't getting paid for. Its another year of film for scouts to pick apart to find flaws, another year of risk of serious injury that can end careers/hurt earnings ability, another year of risk with little upside.
For a player like Bell, where runningbacks fall off by age 30, get to the league, play your first contract, and get that FA deal while you still can. Another 250 carries at the college level isnt going to do anything to change his draft stock, it won't get him faster, won't address concerns NFL teams have about drafting another B1G power back, and in the long run, it would hurt his NFL career (and by doing that, his financial well being). The only reason to argue for him to stay is some notion that as a player, he owes it to the fans to comeback, use up his eligibility out of some misguided notion of loyalty in D1 athletics.
I'm not going to even address your ridiculous strawman involving fascism.
I have an older brother too. His similar warning was "you don't know when to quit." Which prelude to a knuckle sandwich.
This post was edited by BillOGoods 12 months ago
I'll be brief. Andrew Luck. Taylor Lewan. Host of others that need not be mentioned. 'Nuff said.
As a footnote, do not read that I think your points are ludicrous. They are not ludicrous. They are ill advised. They are only half the story. I realize the players will ultimately do what they want. God love 'em for it. They have free will.
But it's not a one way street. Other considerations enter into this aside from "what's best for them." The draft for early departures is a loser's game. If things don't work out like they have been advised, they've lost their college eligibility and are not making the money to justify that move.
Wow. Step away from the keyboard, kids.
Andrew Luck did leave before his eligibility expired (He was a RS Junior)
it remains to be seen if Taylor Lewan will benefit from returning to school
but, nice try, how about coming up with some names from the "hosts of others that need not be mentioned" to maybe actually support your post
BillOGoods is crapping up the tattletale thread
Harbinger in the Shots fired at MIT thread.
"Shots fired at MIT," sadly, should probably be put to bed. One of the most epic threads in my memory, but it's turned into a
Minor detail.... At least Luck won a NC before he left or beat USC/Oregon
Nucky Smith Jr in the New DT commit thread
Using a picture of Enoch Smith Jr as his profile pic
Rogue Leader= Obese coward who didn't attend MSU and has no college degree
Sure, but first, it isn't important to suspend comment to see if that the player "will benefit from returning to school" if, by that, you mean we can't comment now and can only look back to decide if he made a good move by staying in school.
That only measures a good decision by how much money he gets in next year's draft and that isn't the entire point here. Here, we look at if the player could declare if he wanted to and few would second guess that decision, but, instead, he choses to stay anyway. As a great philosopher once said: "Prediction is very hard, especially about the future." So, here goes:
1. AJ McCarron and CJ Mosley, 'Bama;
2. Lewan, Scum;
3. Tajh Boyd, Clemson;
4. Aaron Murray, Georgia;
5. Jackson Jeffcoat and Mike Davis, Texas;
6. Aaron Colvin and Trey Millard, Oklahoma;
7. Jake Matthews, Texas A&M;
8. Jason Verrett, TCU;
9. Dri Archer, Kent State;
10. Derek Carr, Fresno State;
11. Jordan Matthews, Vandi;
12. Brad Roby, tOSU; and
13. Will Sutton, ASU.
All 16 guys who could have been drafted, but chose to stay another year. I haven't checked if any of these guys changed their mind before this article, below, was published by SI, it could have happened. But the point is the same.
LSU a loser, Alabama a winner after NFL draft declaration deadline winners and losers.
First time I've ever read this thread. It's fucking hilarious and pathetic at the same time.
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