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I'm a little confused at all the backlash on this. All Miller said was that there are going to be players in the locker room who have a problem with an openly gay teammate, and that any owner or GM who thinks that everything will go perfectly smoothly is kidding themselves. He never says that it's right - only that certain religious types are going to have a problem that they're going to have to grow up and get over. He wasn't saying everyone would have a problem - just some people.
Everyone's all up in arms about the man just stating his opinion about the type of reaction he expects certain portions of a locker room would have. Even the headline here is misleading - it's his opinion of acceptance (or lack thereof), not on "gays in sports". In fact, he's quoted in the original Tribune article specifically: "Asked his stance on whether gays should be accepted, Miller said, “I could care less. You can play football or you can’t. I’m just giving you my point of view that certain factions of a locker room will not accept it. ... That's the reality of the situation.”
Oh, and way to gay bait by digging back 20 years into your photo archives to find a photo of Miller getting hugged by another player during practice.
One last thing - this is not at all "reminiscent of the stir created by Detroit Tigers outfielder Torii Hunter in December." Hunter said "it's (being gay) not right" - quite the opposite of what Miller said in the interview.
They've never gotten over the butthurt from when Miller said he kicked Michigan's ass.
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Because he said he could care less
Behold the walls of Sparta: 10000 men and every one a brick.
If it can work in the military, it can work anywhere. Miller should know that.
No room for realism and logic in media.
This has the makings of a very Wellsy thread though.
"Last time I checked, whether it’s Christianity or Muslims or other religions that are out there, they’re just not going to accept it. They're just not. It's just not realistic for Mike Florio or any progressive or liberal to think that everything is going to be OK in the locker room, and we should all just wise up and accept it.”
I don't see where he says they are going to have to grow up and get over it. He is saying that we need to wise up and accept that certain people will have issues with openly gay players.
I actually don't see an issue with what he said given the context that they asked for his thoughts on it. I guess people would rather believe a lie than hear an honest opinion.
Choice of picture to use is a long-used ploy by the Detroit newspapers/Blue Wall.
Since we have a former Spartan involved in some controversy that can be spun as a negative, make sure to bring up an old picture of him wearing a Spartan uniform in order to emphasize that.
In one of the early 1990's NCAA tournaments (I think it was 1990, when MSU had won the Big Ten and was headed to the Final Four but for the Kenny Anderson after-the-horn shot in New Orleans) the Detroit News decided to "break" a story in their Sunday edition about Tony Mandarich allegedly having used steroids. They made sure to go back into their archives for a picture from the 1980's with Mandarich wearing an MSU uniform in a large photo on their front page under the headline.
It would be like a Philadelphia paper running a picture of Dan Marino in a Pitt Panthers uniform to break the story of his out-of-wedlock love child.
I considered that, but it's football and blue wall stuff, so I figured I'd post it here.
Sorry, when I read it that felt kind of inferred, but you're right.
Yes, it would seem to be a topic that would eventually have to be moved there. A lot of people are too immature to handle a mature discussion on controversial topics.
This post was edited by MindlessChaos 13 months ago
COULDN'T CARE LESS.
Yeah, but this takes it a step farther - why print a picture of him at practice being hugged by another player and not one of him actually playing in a game?
Interesting choice of pictures there....
Then you have this quote from Tony Banks they added.
"There must be something about this topic and former MSU quarterbacks, because Tony Banks chimed in about it on Twitter this afternoon: "I don't think the NFL is ready for openly gay player. Most players are 2 immature to handle it. I know early in my career I was homophobic." "
...seems to me they are just addressing the reality of the situation from the NFL's standpoint, not whether it is right or wrong. I'm not as into the whole Blue Wall thing, but this afticle is way over-the-top
I see, only MSU quarterbacks have had anything to say about the issue...
There must be something about this topic and former MSU quarterbacks, because Tony Banks chimed in about it on Twitter this afternoon: "I don't think the NFL is ready for openly gay player. Most players are 2 immature to handle it. I know early in my career I was homophobic."
I am not surprised, but will all the talk about having an openly gay guy in a locker room it seems like no one really wants to confront the issue. Miller and Banks talk about the reality of the locker room, and others talk about how there should not be any problem and how it is not right that teams want to know a players sexuality. No sports outlet, or organization, really wants to confront the homophobia in the locker room and what can be done to fix it. They just want to try and go with the don't ask don't tell strategy and ignore the whole issue.
It will be much more difficult in the neanderthal atmosphere of NFL locker rooms. See "Chris Culliver".
Also, nice unnecessary burn at the end of the article
Miller, for what it's worth, also was with the Detroit Lions for training camp in 1998 but didn't make the team.
I guess he should have said "there would be no problems in the locker-room with openly gay players. All NFL players are equally accepting of all regardless of sexual orientation and would not be influenced by religous beliefs on the matter".
He said nothing wrong but this is a very controversial topic because athletes are not very open to homosexuality or at least the public knowledge that a teammate is gay. There should be no doubt that there have been way more gay athletes than those we know about. I don't know if it's about religion or just the atmosphere in pro sports in general, all the testosterone and toughness.
It's not just the groups and people who oppose, but also all the pro LGBT groups that will be all over that locker room like flies on feces. What a circus that would become and I can't see that being positive for a team trying to win.
Clearly these NFL Execs interviewing kids at the combine know it will be an issue, otherwise they wouldn't be asking the prospects questions like this. If they knew everything would be fine, why would they ask? They know better. Miller is right. It will be a problem. Yes, many only care about if the player can help the team or not. But, while many will not admit it, there are some that will have a huge issue with it, and will affect them, and eventually the team.
You ask these question because you dont want to tie up a top couple picks and millions of $$$ unless you feel you can get ROI. Maybe a late round pick, you take a flyer and hope it works out. If not, nothing much invested.
I know, right? Although I wouldn't consider it a burn - more of a statement of good luck, since he went on to lead the Bears to the playoffs a couple of years later and got a Super Bowl ring (as a backup) with the Patriots a couple of years after that, while the Lions had exactly one season with a winning record during that time.
He also says that liberals are wrong about what they think will happen, which kind of puts himself on the other side. The way it reads, he stops JUST short of counting himself among those who wouldn't be cool with it. You're really sugar coating his comments.
That said, I don't see the cause for alarm, because what he ACTUALLY said isn't really anything that isn't true.
Lol at the pic that freep chose, they really dug in their archives for a pic where Miller looks gay and is wearing and MSU uni.
Sugarcoating how? He explicitly stated, “I could care less. You can play football or you can’t. I’m just giving you my point of view that certain factions of a locker room will not accept it. ... That's the reality of the situation.” He's only on the other side of the issue that some people are saying it won't be an issue in the locker room.
It's stunning to me how few people seem to know the correct way of saying this. I heard my doctor say, "I could care less..." the other day. I realize he didn't go to school for journalism, but give me a break.
It is not the job of players to accept or not accept their teammates for any reason. That should be obvious to Miller. Some teammates may hate each other for a variety of reasons yet they go out on the field and perform their jobs. These exact same things were said when sports were integrated racially. Miller could use a history lesson. Maybe he should go read that plaque outside Jenison.
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