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This just in...there are A LOT of people who aren't me that don't go to EL to drink, eat, or shop...because of the parking. If there are other options with FREE parking, people in Lansing will find them.
You really don't get that?
There is plenty of available space in EL. Why do restaurants open in Eastwood and not downtown EL? Why do retail stores open in Eastwood and not in downtown EL?
It's not like that particular ramp is a stone's throw from the ELPD HQ.
My personal opinion you are both spending way too much time on this stupid debate. And to JLap, if paying for parking didn't act as a deterrent to people looking to spend money downtown why does EL offer free parking on select weekends over the summer?
It's not much of a debate. His circle of friends who party in EL don't care about parking. He just chooses to ignore everyone else.
"Lansing and East Lansing have thousands of residents who are passionate
about good food and good beer, but the market seems under-served," said Mark
Sellers, owner of BarFly Ventures. "I'm excited torevive the historic Lansing Brewing
Co. name downtown and bring HopCat's unmatched selection of craft beers and high-
quality food to downtown East Lansing."
Although BarFly is located in Grand Rapids, it has strong ties to East Lansing.
Sellers is a life-long Spartan fan and graduate of MSU's Broad School of Business.
"My time at Michigan State was the best 11 years of my life," Sellers said. "I look
forward to meeting new friends, playing a positive role in the Lansing and East Lansing
business communities, and sharing my love of great food and quality beer."
BarFly project coordinator Sam Short is an East Lansing resident whose wife
works at MSU College of Law. Sam has helped lead the effort to relaunch the historic
Grand Rapids Brewing Co. in downtown Grand Rapids this year. In 2013, he'll manage
the startup of the two Lansing-area projects.
LANSING, MI – A highly anticipated brew pub will still come to Lansing, but maybe not in the spot originally intended.
Lansing Brewing Co. owner Mark Sellers, who is also bringing his popular HopCat Bar concept to East Lansing, said he hasn't signed a lease for space in the Stadium District yet.
When Sellers announced plans to open the brew pub, he said Lansing Brewing Co. would occupy the vacant 6,400-square-foot space at the northwest corner of the Stadium District, located at 500 E. Michigan Ave. in Lansing.
"We haven't finalized the lease," he said this week. "It doesn't mean that we've decided not to, it just means that we don't have certainty yet."
Plans originally called for a 10-barrel brewpub system at the location.
He did confirm that there are other locations he is considering if the Stadium District space doesn't work out, but declined to get into specifics.
Bump because this thread hasn`t been debated in the last four hours... It's, at least, been an entertaining thread.
JLap is now the RCMB resident bar-business know-all and a trained food tasting technician (especially hamburgers)... He has never been to the "Pub"? .. Or was that the "Roadhouse", because they called them something different two years ago when he fequented one bar, but never the other located 100 feet behind it. Or whatever he needed to clarify 4 times in the thread... Also has no issue with East Lansing's parking protocal downtown.
Beer lover\snob debate. (100 taps, Top-five brew pub. Destination point. Game changer)
Historical lesssons in EL bar failures and success accompanied by random theory and heresay.
A bunch of circular arguments, which can be appreciated when respecting the discussion, thoughts and opinions between a majority of posters.
Bump to da Best Burger in Lansing thread (RIP to da Bonnies).
This post was edited by Fez 13 months ago
Fez for mod.
Sellers should do a bit more research on the history of the Lansing - East Lansing restaurant market. He is correct in his assumption that the "market is under served", but what he missed is that other than Tarpoff's back in the early 60's, the residents of either city haven't supported an upscale restaurant over an extended period of time. Again, I hope he succeeeds.
This post was edited by rob 13 months ago
"I think the world is run by C students"
Are you referring to the food to be served? I have looked at the menu and it does come across as upscale to me.
Went to One Eyed Betty's in Ferndale tonight and if they don't have 100 taps it was really close. Got there at 6:30 and it was PACKED. Half hour wait for a table and no seats at the bar (although got a seat after about 15 minutes). They seem to be doing really well.
Great example. Ferndale is an awesome college town, very relevant comparison.
Awesome bar, but unfortunately its so busy these days that its hard to get in anytime after 6:00.
Oh, so now the only way an area can be similar is if it is a college town? Get out if here. Nigel is out of touch and his notion that a 100 tap bar won't survive isn't reality. He states that people won't come from Lansing because they will have the Lansing Brewing Co, but Betty's is packed with the WAB across the street. HopCat will do similarly.
Ok, you got me. I don't know of any 100 tap bars that are making money in Midwestern land grant college towns with a population of under 80,000 people that are not the state capital but are adjacent to It. So I guess you and Nigel are right on this one.
Like it or not, East Lansing is a very unique market for a lot of reasons. Hopcat will do will but will not set the world on fire.
Bump. Woot woot!
A Grand Rapids-based bar will be able to tap into East Lansing's late night scene this summer thanks to a stamp of approval from the city council.
Haven't read the whole thread.
Isn't HopCat the whiney douches who pulled all of their Goose Island product when they were bought by InBev? Even though they were already distributing partners and A-B was going to let them maintain their own operation but only expand the factory?
Very nice. EL could use a place like this.
I stopped buying goose island when the owner went mental in some bar. "do you know who I am?"
"HopCat will be the last new establishment approved to serve alcohol after midnight in the city until a council-approved moratorium is lifted. The moratorium was put in place to give city staff time to determine potential solutions for issues arising from the bar concentration downtown"
wow the EL city council must have to much time on their hands, what problems do we get from having bars in a downtown?
I'm all for bars, trust me. But you are very naive if you think they don't create problems.
I think 312 is absolutely delicious and was one of my fav beers of all time, but I haven't bought a single bottle or glass of goose island beer anywhere since they sold to InBev. To each their own.
i only care about spartans --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqsAJQc-NCY
A woman on East Lansing's Planning Commission spoke to my Urban Planning class a couple weeks about this moratorium. Said it had to do with people being carted out of some of the bars on stretchers or something like that. And that the bars have been getting some heat lately for letting too many minors with fake IDs in.
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