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So you go out on Monday and Tuesday nights? What time? Is any place busy ?
Lot of dumbasses in this thread. HopCat will do great. College kids don't stick to one bar all the time. I hated the post and land shark but still went because we went as groups and had friends there. Also, there's not a lot of great options for visitors, professors and young professionals. This will help fill that void.
Sometimes you wanna go out and get dirty... Other times you want a nice beer or two with a good meal.
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If you're only 21, and don't live in the area, it doesn't really sound like you know enough of what you're talking about. You're probably judging that on the fact that you go to Ricks and PTs every weekend. Crunchys has made itself into a huge demand with it's microbrew selection. Beggers does well attracting post grad aged people who want a better atmosphere. In my 4 years at MSU, between me and my fairly diverse group of friends every one of them developed a good taste in alcohol or beer. Drinking shitty beer at Ricks doesn't mean people don't want to drink the latest seasonals out of Bells/Shorts/etc when they can.
It doesn't matter, bars make their money from Thursday to Saturday. Judging them based on a Monday night is idiotic, which is what my first post pointed out, but apparently it needed repeating for you.
Really only a few people don't get why this won't be a hit, they just post a lot.
I've even seen people complain about 4 dollars for a Budweiser.
Spot on. Parking is a HUGE issue downtown. Not only is it very expensive, it's very inconvenient. Add the fear of getting pulled over and business suffers. And if you do the right thing, leave your car overnight because you shouldn't dirive, it will cost you $35.
Mark Sellers knows how to make a great beer pub. EL is going to love what he does and all the beers aren't $7-8, there will be plenty of more economical selections.
Also, if you work in bars, apply as soon as you can, Mark treats his employees very well and he's very loyal.
This is my exact opinion and experience. I was at Pizza House a while ago on a Thursday and the bar area was really crowded with non-students. They were drinking and being pretty boisterous making it a fun atmosphere. I was asking the manager guy about it and he said it's common, and that people in their late 20's and 30's just don't want to deal with the parking hassle of downtown EL. Otherwise they would just be making Beggars and Crunchy's even more crowded. There is a market for a place like HopCat, but they better make it convenient.
I would never purchase a $4 Budweiser.
Fortunately, Hopcat has plenty of microbrew options in the $4-$5 price range.
Bunch of poor kids posting in this thread. This place is going to thrive.
The college bars downtown do 90% of their business in a 12 hour window 10pm -2am Thursday through Saturday. In recent years, it's more like midnight -2am. The rest is of the week is down time and the overhead is much more than you understand.. Again, you need to ask the people running these places how business is going.
For one I've lived in Lansing my whole life. Two I don't go to ricks bc it sucks crunchys is only good on Sundays for half off. Riv sucks, harpers is garbage. Renos east is ok I like Dublin that's about it. We have all these people come I the boat for frat parties hardly any of these kids know about microbrews and none the less want to pay 7-8 bucks for them. Ya you think locals are going to come in but most of the money is in the college kids bc there coming in more often. Third I know all about bells, founders, Arcadia, shorts, and darkhorse. I've drank alot of them I just never see ppl my age sinking them espically in el
Yeah, when I was in school I loved places like Peanut Barrel because it wasn't chocked full of loud douchebags. If I want to actually relax when I drink then a micro-pub sounds like a great option.
HopCat will do great if they realize that they need to run their pub for people interested in drinking beer, not idiots trying to socialize and get laid. I'm sure their owner is smart enough to realize that just being like the other bars in town with more expensive (and higher quality) beer isn't a good idea. A more adult atmosphere will serve them well.
PLEASE drive that piece of shit Harper's out of business. Good luck.
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These kids don't even ask for the microbrews they just ask for bud or bud light and still complain about the price. I'd rather get a dirty bastard for 6 when it's two times the alcohol
The real isssue is with all that overhead ($$$$$), will it survive the downturn in business during the EL summers? Will it make it past the 3rd year?
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It will be right next door to a parking structure. Parking downtown isn't an issue, parking downtown ILLEGALLY and expecting to get away with it is.
hah yeah I'm pretty sure these guys didn't just say, "Oh lets build another bar in E.L. without thinking about the consequences!"
Parking isn't an issue, really?
You don't see students drinking them? Probably because you just said you don't go to the bars that offer them. Go look at the line for Crunchys Thursday through Saturday night, the line usually starts around 8 and it's there all night.
This post was edited by J_LaP 17 months ago
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