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No. I lived in Chandlers my Senior year, we drove down half the time we went downtown, never got a ticket once, and there's free legal parking, as well as slightly more convenient paid legal parking, the free options are rarely full. People don't want to drive downtown because they don't want to have to have a DD or drive drunk, we have tons of cheap cabs, and a great bus service.
Apparently, some people think the only way a bar can make money is to encourage binge drinking of cheap swill.
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I was at crunchys 3 weeks ago on a Saturday no line what so ever. Nobody with microbrews all with long islands bc there on special. Plus not even close to a packed bar. What renos, crunchys beggars? 3 places tht old el ppl hang at? It's a college in town ppl want to get drunk for as cheap as possible aka Long Island and sex on the beachs are so popular
No, it really isn't. Despite downtown retailers all screaming that they can't survive without a giant parking lot in front of their business.
It's all about perception, and unfortunately in mid-Michigan the perception is that if there isn't a spot available for free right out in front of the place you want to go to, that parking is a "problem".
Parking will be a problem for the demo they are trying to hit. And, there's not enough people filling up condos/apartments downtown that fit that demo either. Anything new in the market gets a bump because it's new. But, that demo (and older) hates parking in EL.
I had lunch at Dublin Square last summer. The town was DEAD, and I had to pay for parking? The metered lot had about 2 cars in it. Why would anyone want to come and just walk around EL (if they live in the burbs) if they have to pay for parking?
I don't think you understand the concept of "target demographics."
Perception is reality.
People don't want to pay for parking. People don't like parking in ramps.
Perception is often reality.
Why pay to park, if you can just go to Eastwood?
what do all three of those places have in common? Most of their regular clientele are not students, which is why they've been around so long.
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Good point, summers can be rough on downtown EL businesses. Doesn't sound like Hop Cat's target demographic is necessarily students though.
If they have an outdoor patio, that would probably help things.
I haven't been in EL as a student in two years, but that's how it was when I was student, and I've visited and found it exactly the same. I really doubt your one experience of seeing Crunchys not packed changes he fact that it is successful. And you say old people, do you mean seniors? Because when I was a regular, it was all students. I think you need to open your eyes and look around a bit, because things just plain and simply aren't what you say they are.
That's what these people don't get, Hopcat's demographic is a more stable one than that of the ones with just student customer bases. They will get lunch dinner traffic that some downtown EL bars do not get, they will be more stable the summers where bars like Ricks are empty, they will attract people who are willing to park (maybe people don't park downtown because the people who would drive don't have options that attract them?)
Because they don't have places like Hop Cat in Eastwood?
Can't believe this had to be pointed out. Eastwood has a movie theater and some extremely overpriced and overrated restaurants, what else?
For the record, I think Hopcat will do well but you really have no clue what you're talking about. Lunch traffic, yeah right. And if you don't think parking, and paying Manhattan rates, effects business I can't help you.
Someone help me out here. I am having trouble envisioning this location. Is this directly east of the 7-11 on Grove? If so, is there not a parking ramp in that location or is the parking ramp sufficently north of Ann Street to fit this structure in so it fronts Ann Street?
I haven't been downtown in a couple of years because I have gotten sufficiently drunk at tailgates and have not wanted to fight the crowds after a game.
Manhattan rates for what? Rent? Isn't that "supply and demand"?
I know you aren't talking about parking, because it's dirt cheap to park downtown EL. Practically free.
I would saw 40% were students. Alot of adults 40-50 were present at crunchys. I just don't see why a bar reaching a older demographic would want to be in east Lansing. The cops are horrible, kids are douches, on top of it parking is god awful. It seems cool but I'd rather wait till after it's been open awhile. I can't see alot of adults wanting to park across the street and walk by all the hoopla at riv
I'm trying to write all of this at work so sorry If I'm misspelling or my grammar is way off
In general, do you think that people in the mid-Michigan/Lansing area like to pay to park their cars when they go out to lunch or dinner?
Do they like to struggle to find places to park? Do they like to park in ramps?
Do you think that "perception" has impacted downtown businesses in EL over the years?
This is just comical.
It's a college town. Parking is an issue. It's been an issue for 30 years (or more).
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You missed my point. Downtown East Lansing retailers/restaurants should not try to compete with a shopping mall.
Downtown East Lansing seems like an ideal location for a unique bar/restaurant and unique shopping. People are more willing to pay to park their cars if they feel like they're going someplace special.
If downtown EL only consists of a Starbucks, Jimmy Johns, Gap or whatever other chain retailers/restaurants that are also present at a mall, then no... people aren't going to pay to park.
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