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on 0-4 shooting against an atrocious Louisianawhogivesafuck team?
The production from Nix and Payne has been very disappointing in the early going against bad teams, but i'm not even sure if it's all their fault. We need to find a way to get these guys producing up to their potential.
Do we miss Trice THAT much? Getting him back will probably help, but we need to get Payne more than 4 fg attempts against a bad team like Lousianaadslfadslj;kfasdl;
He stood around watching for most of the time he was on the court. The few times he got the ball down low (the times where we didn't turn it over), he didn't go up very strong. Nix and Payne should've been able to score at will, really poor job by everyone executing.
MSU needs to be much quicker and more decisive when the ball enters the post. The post guys (all of them including Dawson who needs to post more) need to go straight to the hoop or make a quicker pass back out to the open man. If the ball comes back out the guards need to pull up quicker or reverse the ball quicker. The half court offense is slow and indecisive and this is allowing the opponents' defense to be more aggressive on the ball forcing our turnovers.
Agree with this. Also would like to see Nix and Payne re-establish position after kicking it out, rather than immediately running to set a ball screen.
If we can't get more out of them Wednesday we will be in trouble. Miami is a big team that will pound it in the paint and score. We need to get easy shots in the paint vs. their zone.
He missed two layups that he should have dunked
He missed two layups that he shouldn't have missed.
He played down to the level of the competition. It happens.
Agree Payne had a crappy game today, but against Oakland he dominated at times and ended up with 15 points and 9 rebounds on 6/7 shooting. Nix went for 10 points and 7 rebounds on 5/6 shooting against Oakland. I'll take those numbers all season long.
It also seems like the rotation with them both on the floor together is working better over the last few games. Good sign, it will be nice to be able to go big if we have to later in the year.
Almost seems like both Payne and Nix kick it back out too much. They are both big bodies, make a strong post move at the hoop instead of catching a post pass and kicking it right back out an making the guards make all the plays.
They're getting doubled every time they get the ball because teams know we can't shoot. It would be nice if our shooters could actually hit some wide open looks, that would make life a lot easier on our bigs.
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Before the season, I was hoping that we would get about 30ppg from the Nix/Payne/Costello/Gauna combination. I'm dumb.
It had been a wonderful evening and what I needed now, to give it the perfect ending, was a little of the Ludwig Van.
Dawson isn't a post guy. He doesn't have post moves. He's a slasher and an offensive rebounder. He can do nothing with his back to the basket.
The two best shooters (well 3 if you could potentialy count Kaminski) on the team are out right now. Really limits the offense.
I'm fully aware of that but injuries are a part of the game, and Valentine, Kearney, Byrd, etc., are on scholarship as well and need to hit open jumpers.
The offense is also limited when you turn the ball over 20 times . Do that against a team with a pulse and it's a loss.
I never understand the "he should've dunked it" arguments. You hear it mainly with Nix. It's like they don't notice that he has trouble getting off the floor. Pretty sure they would dunk it 99% of the time if they could in that situation.
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.
Kearney and Byrd did, when they didn't turn it over. But they seemed to do that a lot in the 2nd half. Valentine's weakness is his shooting. If he could shoot, he would have been playing in the McDonald's game. Gotta think Valentine heads to the bench, because between 1/6, 5 TOs, and 4 fouls, that's about as bad of a game as he could possibly have.
I really thought Payne could average 13 and 8 this year. Doesn't look like it. I would kill to have Paul Davis on this team, a skilled big who doesn't turn it over every time he puts it on the floor and can consistently score in the post.
Who do you bench Valentine for? Trice may return Wednesday, but I doubt he starts. He hasn't played in over 2 weeks.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Seemed like the gameplan this afternoon was to pound the ball down low and to set up the rest of the offense from there. It seemed like it was working fairly well too, until we started missing chippies (Dawson a few times, Nix, and Payne too). Still, Nix was doing a better job of being patient with the ball.
And then the "unselfishness" started; aka, nobody wanted to take a shot. When Nix gets the ball down low and there's no double, he needs to get to work. His first look right now is to see if a shooter is open and to kick it out immediately; he did that with a WIDE OPEN path to the basket against Oakland and luckily Appling hit the 3. But he needs to get his when the ball is given to him down low and worry about kicking out when he gets doubled. And likewise, when we get an open 3 (aka BYRD), the shot needs to go up. Otherwise, it defeats the good passing and rotating of the ball that just took place. This team needs a blowout game to boost confidence across the board.
Also, the fact that we couldn't get past the 3-point line without turning the ball over certainly killed any potential post baskets too.
Very well said, but I would add this. It didn't seem like Payne/Nix knew when the double was coming and when it was not. When it didn't, as you said, it seemed like they wanted it to come and were waiting for it. If it doesn't come, those two should be able to score at will against most non B1G teams on our schedule. Long was pulling them out on D early hitting deep jumpers and our bigs were struggling with perimeter D. Because Long was going off, it seems like we would want to attack him when he is playing D to see if we could get a foul or two on him, but as you mentioned, the ball went in and the Cajuns were just shooting the passing lanes and picking off the kick outs.
Yeah, it definitely seemed as if they were almost waiting for the double team to come so they could kick it back out.
These two can/need to be a strength of this team. Not many teams have a big with the capable footwork of Nix and the athleticism/shot-making ability of Payne. Together, they can be a pretty potent interior attack. They just need the confidence to know that they can get theirs against most other bigs, and the trust in themselves to handle the double teams calmly.
There isn't much space in the paint because teams sag off of our guards cause they don't consistently make 3s. Once we start making teams respect our outside shooting the bigs will be more productive.
He plays scared. I am also often amazed when he gets 3-4 boards in 30 minutes. That's pretty hard to do when your 6'10" and hang around the paint. He's not tough right now AT ALL. Hope this changes.
Also our entry passes were terrible today. Payne has to be more aggressive down low, but the wings also have to put him in a better position. How many entry passes were tipped or stolen today?
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