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Just re-watched the game against Memphis and I'm scratching my head wondering how they went undefeated in conference play. Yeah I know CON-USA is weak, but you'd think at least ONE team would've tripped them up. They can't shoot, they can't rebound, they don't run any sets...I mean...there isn't much more to the game of basketball than that. On top of that, their highly touted athleticism didn't blow me away either. We were the "slow, plodding" Big Ten team that was running THEIR asses out of the gym on the fast break.
Maybe it's just a case of hindsight being 20/20 but they appeared to be terribly over-seeded as a 6. It wasn't just against us, they struggled to crack 50 against St. Mary's as well. Arizona and Butler were also 6 seeds. We got lucky with that draw. Hell, there are a few 7, 8, 9 and 10 seeds that would have posed a greater challenge.
"RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog
Every team has a bad game. We played great D and they missed a lot of shots. We also have a level of athlete that nobody does in CUSA (besides Memphis).
They have elite athleticism that can help win them games. We have elite athleticism and a hall of fame coach.
They are 100x more athletic than any other c-usa team. It would be like throwing UK into the Ohio Valley Conference.
They didn't just randomly have a bad game though. You don't go 16-0, win your conference tourney, then suddenly have a "bad game." They were completely and utterly exposed as a bad basketball team who beat up on a bunch of rrrrreally bad basketball teams. Just surprises me they didn't get tripped up even once along the way.
Only saw them play So. Miss in their conference tourney final. Chris Crawford had 30 points and was draining NBA 3's with no conscious.
Weak conference, great players. Memphis has some really good talent on that team. Much more than the rest of C-USA. They relied on simply being more talented than other teams. Plus, they never really had that drive to improve and win like MSU and the rest of the Big Ten did. We had to get better every game just to compete and win in our own conference. They were already the best in the conference by far.
Conference USA. Seriously look at the list of teams. Memphis keeps all of the hometown crazy athletic kids.
Many of us had the foresight to call Memphis the best match up for MSU among the 6 seeds.
They had a bad half, do you forget it was still a game at the end of the 1st half?
They scored more points than their opponent in each of their conference games.
That's what I think too, but looking at the other response I guess there is more to it than that.
It was only close because MSU underperformed in the first half...yet despite MSU's bad 1st half, MSU was still on pace to blowout Memphis.
B/C they played 16 tomato cans.
I actually watched several Memphis regular season games this season. They didn't shoot well, which can be attributed to them not shooting well, but also MSU's D. I watched them play Xavier this year, who was basically a middle of the pack A10 team, and Xavier beat them by 2, basically by just playing smarter than them.
Pastner is a terrible coach. They do have athletes and if everything is clicking they are good. Have them play a smart team who is actually decent and they struggle.
Honest question....I missed the SCum/VCU tilt.....was Memphis a better team than VCU? Just curious, as I saw VCU beat a very depleted Akron team badly and all the national slappies acted like it was an epic and impressive beatdown. What I noticed was that VCU completely shyed away from contact...specifically on the defensive end but still won easily because Akron was so shorthanded.
....my gut feeling would be Memphis would beat VCU by 6-12 pts. or so.
Don't overthink it. It's been my experience that when a team outscores its opponent, it usually wins.
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They can shoot and are very athletic, They are a good team and our game with them was much closer than the score indicated despite them shooting poorly.
Nobody else in that third tier turd of a conference can match up with them athletically. That's all there is to it, they just overwhelm C-USA with their athleticism. Only problem with that strategy is when you're matching up with a quality team from a power conference, you lose that athletic edge and have to rely on coaching. Memphis has shit coaching.
tRCMB - Visit at your own risk of being disgusted.
Because they're better than us. They just let the game slip away.
Your a retard.
VCU is pretty good. Michigan matched up really well with them and played a great game. Actually, VCU would have been a terrible matchup for MSU. They turn people over like crazy but are not out of control and undisciplined. They really like to get things to snowball and then just up the pressure.
I am pretty sure that Butler's PG in their game this year wanted to just sit on the bench and cry during TV timeouts.
Memphis has had a rep for about 7-10 years as being an user-athletic team. Thus, any time someone dunks or makes a big block, it gets huge play. Yet between Dawson, Payne, Harris and even Appling after his all-time slam, our highlight reel blows theirs away. Hell, even Costello's few monster stuffs rival anything they've don.
From Mo Pete to Mo Ager to Anderson to JRich to Tolbert to Summers to Dawson, we've had as good as it gets for athletic players.
The last time memphis played a good team was December 15. They looked completely pathetic once you got them in a halfcourt setting.
They are a team full of 4 and 5 * kids playing in CUSA. There is a reason a 30 win team only got a 6 seed, CUSA sucks. I would bet CUSA doesn't have any other 4 and 5 star kids.
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
People (like you in this case) have a tendency to take a little bit of evidence and extrapolate it out and draw incorrect conclusions. What happened in one game in sports does NOT indicate what would happen long term or necessarily how good a team is. Proof? How often in the NBA in a seven game playoff series does the first game have team A dominate team B, only to lose the very next game? (It happens all the time) Should we have concluded that team A was way better and that team B has no business playing with them? No. One game went one way. Others could go another.
Was Michigan State way better than Michigan after the first game this year? Everyone thought so. Then how did we lose the next game against them?
Memphis looked very tough to me. If they were hitting their shots, they would have either been right in the game or won. Not all of their misses were our defense, but many were. Many were open looks that simply did not go in. In a seven game series I have no doubt that Memphis would beat MSU at least once, if not more.
Ask Charles Barkley.
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