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W/o doubt the O was better in '07. I'd say primarily because MSU had a better OC then.
You shoulda fixed it for me and said "signed". Still Belichick signed him, cut the backup they had, and kept him as the only backup to Brady.
Exactly this. Smoker was very good. Maxwell is not.
nail, meet hammer. very sad.
"People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." - Mark Dantonio.
Dude, Hoyer was out worst QB in a long time. C'mon, look at our QBs in the last decade or so and tell me who sticks out...
You're cherry-picking. Where are Coleman, Dowdell and Schultz?
But Hoyer sure wouldn't make the upper division.
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Hoyer named starter for next Cardinal game.
Worst QB in a long time?
From that list, how many have started in the NFL?
He is starting this week...
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Hoyer is tied for 3rd on that list only behind Cousins and Banks. He'd be tied with Miller. You have your opinion and I have mine. Apparently some people who's job it is to evaluate talent would agree with me, considering that Enos, McAllister and Burke didn't make the next level. And yes, I'd take Hoyer over Stanton and Smoker.
Hoyer is right behind Cousins...he was one of our best quarterbacks at MSU. We got spoiled having two quarterbacks of that caliber follow each other here at MSU.
The idea that fans think bad of Hoyer smacks of ignorance and the inability to understand the game outside of the boxscore.
This post was edited by tVargMan Prime 16 months ago
Agreed. I liked hoyer.
Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.
Hoyer to me is the most forgettable msu qb
The three of them are very much pro-style quarterbacks with very strong arms, pretty similar sized bodies and mobility. Smoker had a bit more touch than Hoyer or Maxwell, but all three I think can put incredible distance on the ball with accuracy. I'm talking style, not performance, especially since I still think Maxwell will have a stellar senior year.
I agree that MSU has a history of QB's excelling their senior season. So perhaps you're right. But unless Maxwell becomes less timid, and starts to lead this team with some fire, I'm unsure he has the stuff. He's too weak minded.
I just keep going back to his "sleeps well at night" statement. That ticks me off. A true leader of a football team should be pissed off when they lose. Kicking furniture around the dorm room at night, calling team meetings at 1 am in the morning to fire up the troops.
Sleeps well at night? Brother, that ain't working...
I agree and don't get the people saying he was "very good", or one of the best... He was a good game manager, and that is pretty much it (which isn't really a bad knock on him). 51% completions with 9 TD's/9 INT's is neither "very good", nor one of the best. Just my .02.
Edit: not sure if that'll help, but it's cool he's talking with Maxwell. That gets lost in all the bitching.
This post was edited by Forza 16 months ago
Add in the fact that he regressed over the last few games....I'm just hoping he can get it together for next year.
Will be watching him closely on Saturday night...will we see an improved AM, something to look forward to for 2013. Or, more of the same old, same old.
Actually, Hoyer's senior year is VERY similar to (but a bit worse than) what Maxwell has done this year. In fact, a LOT of things were similar. Both had amazing running backs behind them (Hoyer had Ringer and Maxwell has Bell). Both had mediocre offensive lines in front of them. Both had talented but inexperienced receivers who dropped a lot of passes (Hoyer had Cunningham, Dell, White, and Martin. Maxwell has Fowler, Burbridge, Mumphery, and Lippett).
I think Maxwell will definitely be better next year, but I think part of it will be because the offense as a whole takes a step forward thanks to a year of seasoning by some young players in important positions.
If you are referring to the last two games, I think the injury he suffered against Northwestern on the hit that forced the pick six was worse than he let on. I think that had a major effect on his performance the rest of the way. The fact that they stayed with him is probably a testament to how NOT ready they think Cook is.
If you take into account the drops,the youth, the O-line injuries, the elbow, the rain in the Iowa game, the bad officiating, and the improvement of Eastern Michigan - Maxwell had the best qb season in MSU history.
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