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KState - Iowa State = Farmageddon.
Notre Dame coach Kelly begins BCS campaign
Pretty crazy 2011 SOS ratings. What site is that anyway? Sagarin's made way more sense if you go through game by game, and these final ratings are after Bama got credit for playing LSU a 2nd time:
OK St. SOS = #4
Bama's = #15
Ok St. was 7-0 against Top 30 teams. Bama (before the "NCG") was 3-1.
Anyway, this year the top 3 are on track to have very similar SOS. Oregon's is lower now, K St.'s is higher, but they'll pretty much even out by most any computer standard by December. To me the picks should be Oregon because they have to play an extra 13th game against USC, and to K St. because you can't screw the B12 two straight seasons. But it's not like ND doesn't have a case.
LOL @ Kelly for being the only one to vote ND #1. I'm sure he subscribes to Playboy for the articles too.
Watch that vote get scrutinized in the media because its ND.
The RCMB...is one of the most awful, alarming, inappropriate, disgusting, and offensive msg boards in the history of the internet.
Ouch...when you look at it like that, you see how unimpressive Notre Dame's schedule has really been.
vs Purdue and @TCU is a toss up? lol no.
That order of "most impressive" is pretty messed up. You have WV ahead of OK ST and TCU, USC ahead of Stanford, and Pitt behind Navy?
I've always been heavily against "most impressive". What matters is results, not who looks impressive. Thing is, some of ND's results have been rather tainted (Stanford, Pitt) by the refs in the closing minutes. That, along with not having a conference championship, along with the B12 getting screwed last year...i just don't think ND has anything really as an advantage to their resume. I see a lot of things that make them an equal, but nothing that makes them actually better.
Haven't read the thread at all, but I will simply say "Please don't speculate!"
I will bet the first person to accept $500 that there will not be 3 undefeated teams when the season ends.
I would also bet (not at even money odds) that Alabama will still play in the NC game vs. the only remaining undefeated team.
Won't happen. Human polls wouldn't put Georgia over those two and KSU and ND are 1-2 in the computers right now. Georgia is 6th. It's no guarantee they'd even hop Florida with a win over Bama when Florida still plays FSU. It might be close, but it wouldn't be a guaranteed hop even over Florida, let alone getting into the discussion of knocking K-State and ND down. Oregon is also going to be tough to pass in the computers when they finish with Stanford, Oregon State and UCLA/USC - who are all in the Top 20. Three top 20 wins vs. a neutral win over #4 Bama will come out a as a wash in most of the computer ranks or give a slight lean to Oregon (A&M only went from 11 to 8 with a win AT Bama). I think most pollsters would take the "SEC is just really, really balanced" approach over the "Wow, Georgia should be playing for it all" approach. SEC needs serious help but there's still lots of football to be played and three schools at the top who aren't necessarily money historically in these positions. This just feels a lot like 2007 where LSU and Ohio State lost but were able to get back into the top spots as teams kept gagging in front of them.
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I would take @Baylor over BYU too.
Asking MSU fans if ND should play in the title game is like asking tOSU fans if Scum should be playing in it(assuming they ever get in the discussion in the future)
Assuming all three are unbeaten how could anyone argue against any two of the three getting in? All three teams would have had great seasons.
So with the BCS polls coming out, there's some definite fishiness. In the Harris Poll, some dumbass kept Alabama as #1. This makes no sense.
In the coaches poll, Notre Dame is getting 22.8 points (aka an average rank of 3.2 in the poll). That means that someone either messed up and left them off their ballot, or there is collusion going on to keep Notre Dame's ranking in the Coaches Poll at #3.
I'm not one to be a conspiracy theory spreader, but we need the Coaches Poll votes to be published every week.
The one team that may have an effect on who makes the national championship game is USC.
USC has @UCLA, Notre Dame, and then @Oregon if they win @UCLA.
Obviously, if they beat Notre Dame then we're down to 2 teams. If they lose to UCLA, then 1) The Notre Dame-USC game doesn't matter, because no matter how bad Notre Dame beats USC, USC will be viewed as a mediocre enough team to not matter. 2) They won't play Oregon anyways, that'll be UCLA who'll play in the title game.
If USC beats UCLA, then they get to face Notre Dame and Oregon in consecutive weeks. What's great is that neither Notre Dame nor Oregon is a sure thing to beat SC. But, you know Notre Dame is going to try to beat USC as bad as possible to get leverage on Oregon. It's going to be tough for Oregon to put up 60 on USC twice. Notre Dame could definitely garner some #1 votes, if they've more impressively beat Oklahoma and USC than K-State, and Oregon did respectively.
Computer Polls are on average ranking the teams like this:
1) Notre Dame
Since, Oregon has 3 ranked opponents left, I think they can leapfrog Florida, who has Jacksonville State and FSU left. Personally, I think FSU beats Florida, making Florida irrelevant, and probably locking Oregon into the #3 spot in the computers. Of course, Alabama and Georgia get to play each other to boost the winner's Computer Ranking. 'Bama has Auburn and a 1-9 Western Carolina team left, so they can't pass Oregon, while Georgia could do it facing decent Georgia Southern and Georgia Tech.
I honstly don't think we see 2 undefeated's, and Alabama/Georgia are definitely not out of the hunt either. To me, if FSU wallops Florida, they're the best 1-loss team in the nation.
What if Florida wallops FSU? UF's D is pretty solid.
This is all a moot point until KSU beats UT and ND beats USC.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
To me, the most interesting remaining games are the USC / ND and possibly USC / Oregon Pac12 Championship Game. Also, interesting to see what happens with K State and Texas. The further the undefeated teams go the more pressure there is on them... K State, at least to me, seems to be the weakest of the remaining undefeated teams. FOR some reason, call me crazy, but I can envision a scenario where a 1 loss SEC team squeaks by an undefeated K State or ND. It'll be tough for Oregon to win out. Oregon's defense is almost nonexistent. I predict that someone is going to end up getting fucked and that an SEC team will benefit.
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Have you seen how Florida has won its games? Pure Beamer Ball.
Great Defense and Special Teams, Horrible Offense.
Best defenses both teams will face is when they play each other, but Florida could be shut out. FSU will find a way to score, their offense is light years better than Florida's.
And the Ducks coughed up 51 points to USC...and 34 to Arky State (FCS team)....what Natty Champ team gives up that many points in regulation games?
Were you as opposed to Auburn going to the NC under Cam Newton even though he had a number of close games? (OT with unranked Clemson, win by three against Miss State, win by three against Kentucky)
Your name explains your conclusions.
Take the names out of the analysis, and see what happens:
CBS lists the resumes of the 5 undefeated teams in the country, and you pick which two resumes impress you the most. Obviously, the catch is
"Leave the gun.....take the cannoli"
"It's not your job to be as confused as Nigel."
Arkansas State is not an FCS team.
Way to tell half the story about the USC game. UO put up 63 points and 730 yards at USC. You're also comparing a win at USC to close wins at home againt the likes of Purdue and Pitt.
Previous years don't matter. Even if they did, your comparison is absolutely moronic because the only undefeated teams that year were Auburn, Oregon and TCU with TCU clearly having a much weaker schedule than Auburn and UO. It built further argument for a playoff, but under the current BCS model you have to differentiate the teams somehow and that's how TCU was excluded.
I still picked K-State and UO.
I suspect you are one of those idiots who only want to see "brand names" play for the NC.
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You got me on Arky State.
Otherwise, you mad bro?
I didn't tell any story about the game except the final score. The fact of the matter is that USC racked the Ducks for 51 points and over 600 yards of offense and only had to punt once in the game....that ain't chump change. What will be better is to compare the two schools' efforts against USC at the end of the regular season.
So comparing the result of a 3 undefeated team situation to this year is "moronic"? Gotcha. Besides the fact that wasn't the reason that season was offered...but avoiding the point is always a sure way not to have to defend your position, isn't it?
When you take the names of the teams out....which of the 3 teams opponents have the highest winning percentage again? Of the listed stats in that blind test, the only one that favors the Ducks out of the three unbeatens is the average point difference. I don't buy that with Wisconsin and I don't buy that with the Ducks.
Read the link, junior...I picked KState and ND when bias was removed. I still stick with that, but feel free to call me idiot any time...it earns you more "interwebs tuff guy points" which put you in the lead for the Internwebs National Championship.
All in for K-State.
Look at their recruiting classes, they rank around they had the 63rd ranked class in 2010. All 2 and 3 star players blowing it up and winning big.
ND still has to play USC and would already be out of the conversation except for some vintage South Bend home cooking vs Stanford.
If K-State and Oregon get through the rest of the season undefeated and ND does beat USC I'm figuring ND still is on the outside looking in because the other two will have both won their conference championship game.
If that happens look for ND to put their move to full ACC membership into overdrive because the couldn't play that 13th conference championship game to prove why they should play in the 14th game.
No championship game in the B12. 9-game round robin.
With a selection committee coming in a couple years for the new playoff, ND's new ACC "affiliation" could bite them in the ass. Remember, they will be playing 5 games against ACC teams each year in exchange for having access to ACC bowls, whatever those might be (Chick-fil-A is likely gone.) A selection committee is not going to look kindly on a ND team with the likes of Duke, Wake Forest, Syracuse, Pitt, Maryland, Virginia and/or BC from the ACC and then games agains the likes of Purdue and Navy. ND is not going to be able to cherrypick which ACC teams they want to play so FSU, Clemson (assuming they stay strong) and VT (assuming they get back to being strong) aren't going to be on the schedule every year. That is going to make for some absolutely horrible schedules when compared to teams from the SEC, Big 12, Pac-12 and B1G. Consequently, they might be better off joining as a full member to get VT, Clemson and/or FSU on the schedule every year or else SOS with the selection committee is going to quickly become an issue.
It is moronic. Different year, different teams and different results. But hell, if you want to keep your head in the sand and treat OT wins at home against Pitt the same as road wins at USC, that is certainly your right.
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