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Another great D coming back. Another shit offense. That's my unhappy prediction. Before you neg bomb (and you will), please allow me to lay out the facts as I see them:
1. QBs and WRs were the glaring problem last year. So far, that does NOT appear to be remotely solved. Normally at this time of year we're hearing all kinds of slurping and sunshine blowing coming out of spring camp. This year, we haven't heard that. And at the spring game -- let's just say the passing offense does not pass the eye test or the smell test.
2. RBs. Lost Bell. Don't know who's going to slot in. We're trying a converted LB, so make of that what you will. I don't think that's encouraging.
3. OL - They're supposed to be awesome. I'll believe it when I see it, I guess! I've heard this song before.
4. Our two tight end set offense has no tight ends. Solution: Plug in our LB-->DE-->FB-->DT Lawrence Thomas at TE. Seems like a winning plan, he has been all world all four other positions the coaches have put him at. Ever seen a can't-miss recruit as badly mismanaged and mis-developed as this one??
5. Against all odds, we actually had an opportunity to upgrade the sorely lacking Offensive Coordinator position this offseason. Bring in someone who'd inject dynamism, energy, explosiveness and excitement into the offense. So who do we bring in? THE CHIEF ARCHITECT OF TRESSELBALL.
Jesus. Fucking. Christ.
I really hope I'm wrong.
I won't downvote ya but you are putting way too much stock into a Spring game.
I really hope you're wrong too.
With our defense, the offense just needs to upgrade itself from "bad" to "not great" to do well with this schedule. I understand why you might feel discouraged after the spring game, but it isn't our starting offense vs. our starting D - it's a mish-mash of starters and bench warmers.
I got you covered
For the love of Trevor...™
This is just a repeat of the '09 and '10 seasons. We had high expectations coming off of a 9-4 season in 08' and flopped in '09. Everyone had mixed feelings about '10 going into the season and we won the B1G that year. I see history repeating itself this year.
EDIT: I believe the OL injuries were the main problem on offense last year and everything else was magnified because of it.
This post was edited by locd32 12 months ago
I usually dislike you.
But I can't anymore...bc I've had a serious man crush on Ryan Adams for a very Lon time.
And Heartbreaker is so fucking good.
Interesting point on LT, but I think you might be giving him a bit too much credit.
Other than that, I agree with everything. I think the key is getting the O line together, then everything else will fall into place on offense (or at least be serviceable).
I agree with you on one thing - I will down vote you.
-1 for OP.
I didn't read your post, either.
It was just a mistake;
I didn't mean to let them take away my soul.
Am I too old?
Is it too late?
This is the offense next year
Well, I certainly have some concerns, but I have a couple of counters . . .
1) WR. Early in the year, they were horrific. When Burbridge was inserted into the line-up, things stabilized, though AM definitely regressed as the year went on. Burbridge looked absolutely great on Saturday; combine him with Mumphery and I think MSU has at least 2 viable WR targets. I said it in another thread, but if you flipped one of AM's walk-on WRs for Burbridge, he puts up better #s than Cook in the scrimmage.
2) Yea, I don't see any RBs on the roster approaching Bell's production. Unfortunately MSU needs Bell's production and then some more, both in yardage in TDs. I could see Bullough doing fine in an 8-12 carry/game role where he batters the opposing D, but this has to be an RB by committee year or MSU won't crack 100 YPG on the ground. At least 1 true FR has to step up, or the current roster members have to have a really good summer.
3) I'm with you on the OL, but I really liked what I saw out of Jack Conklin, who had plenty of reps vs. Marcus Rush. Rush isn't an All-American, but he's definitely an above average Big 10 DE. OL, in the end, boils down to injuries. I think the starting 5 of Fonoti, Treadwell, Jackson, France and Burkland could be pretty good. More than 2 injuries and the line will be the same as last year.
4) Agree about the TEs. Paul Lang is the H-back MSU would love to have, but he was injured in spring. Gleichert is o.k., but the RS FR combo of Price and Jones are going to be relied on.
I disagree about LT. He kept outgrowing positions, but unlike Fred Smith, found ways to be productive. Kid really is a freak athlete at 300 pounds and I do not think he's been mismanaged or misdeveloped. He looked like the most disruptive DT out there and he's only been playing the position for a few months. I do not thing MSU fans will be disappointed with his contributions.
5) Bollman is helping out with game prep and the OL/TEs. Warner is the play caller, so we'll have to see what he has up his sleeve before we jump to any conclusions.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
There is a pm system for a reason. This is a football thread.
Agreed. Youth was our big problem on defense in 09 (the team's weak spot) just like it was this year on offense. I don't think our offense will be world-beaters by any means this year, but I think they will be better than last season...even with a bad offense last season, we were still in just about every game we played (with the exception of ND)
Really, in terms of Yards-per-game, we were just "below-average" last year, not completely awful.
The disaster was that as soon as we got to the 30, we sucked ass, and Conroy missed a FG (or two) every single game after those drives stalled.
Awful Red Zone (30 yard) offense, & missed FGs took the offense from below-average to awful.
Hell, if this team just improves a bit in the red zone this year, it should at least be competent.
That, and he posts as if he hasn't seen the schedule.
This post was edited by RPMadMSU 12 months ago
You can add FG kicker to the questions, but it could turn out in MSU's favor. Conroy missed kicks in games decided by 3 points or less 3 times (Northwestern, Michigan, tOSU) in addition to not being able to get on the field in time to kick a FG vs. Iowa at the end of the half that would have made Iowa unable to tie the game in the 4th Q.
Yea, just going off of yards per point, the average for the nation is around 14.4, meaning the average team scored 1 point for every 14.4 yards they move the ball. Rounding things a bit here, but MSU was right around 360 YPG on offense (359.31) and scored 20 PPG, meaning MSU scored 1 point for every 18 yards the offense moved.
If they hit the average YPP of 14.4, that means they'd score 25 points per game, which would have been enough to win every game in regulation except for Nebraska and ironically enough, Indiana.
IIRC, since 2005, there have been only 3 Big 10 teams with a worse YPP and only 1 team (IL) was nearly as bad the year after.
I agree with just about all of this from the OP. However, with our schedule and our defense that could still get us 9 or 10 wins.
This post was edited by SD Spartan 12 months ago
We'll win some games, but the RB and TE are not only discouraging but also borderline sad. Unless there are multiple injuries, a program like MSU should never be so lean at the RB position that our best option may be converted LB or an incoming freshman. Freshman skill players are RARELY difference makers in college football.
1.) Valid area of concern. We have one good WR, a couple of mediocre WRs and the QBs are nothing special. Still, all they have to figure out is how to catch easy passes and the passing game is fine. Both QBs are 60%+ with at least 1 more TD for each team if Jakubik, Fowler, Lippett and Burbridge catch those easy balls. I wish I could say that will definitely happen, but sadly my anonymous internet message board calls to fire Terry Samuel because he has been the worst coach by far on this staff since he set foot in East Lansing have gone ignored by Mark Dantonio.
2.) I've stated time and time again that being "concerned" about RBs is a display of football ignorance. It is the easiest position to play on the field if you have the athleticism. If you don't have a Le'Veon Bell-type player (99% of teams won't in 2013), your RB production is directly proportional to the performance of the oline. There is no real reason for concern here, just concern for the OL. I think Bullough and Tompkins made a fine combo, but I still see a freshman taking over for at least Bullough.
3.)I don't disagree, but what we saw in the spring game was encouraging. You only really got to see some good individual performances from the starting OL. We just have to wait and see. We added a lot of beef on the interior by moving France to guard and the center situation is 10x better with Jackson returning.
4.)Now you're just flat wrong. LT was awesome at DT and the only reason he was moved around is because he gained like 60 pounds as soon as he showed up on campus and then got hurt. He was great in the spring game (he manhandled Travis Jackson on multiple occasions) and he's going to be a great tackle.
5.)This is the other point I would consider unreasonable, and much more so. Did you see Tresselball out there? Or anything looking like an overly-conservative offense? No? Okay. Bollman is not the "architect" of Tresselball. That would be...Jim Tressel. Bollman is shoring up the nuts and bolts of Mark Dantonio's offense. I am happy he is here.
I just think that you're not taking a wholly rational look at the situation and rather are experiencing "Spartan Shellshock Syndrome" wherein a bad season has you on pins and needles waiting for the other shoe to drop and for MSU football to suck forever again. It's a very common malady among the Spartan faithful. We will not have a top 25 offense this season, but we don't need one to win 10 games. Look at the schedule. How many elite dlines are we facing? One. ND. Without the merry-go-round at OL (Clark at LT was the sign that it was basically over for us), that should be our saving grace.
This post was edited by chairman meow 12 months ago
It will be better, because.....NO ROUSHAR. Who else could take an offense with our record setting QB/WR, Nichol, Key, Bell, Baker, multiple TEs to middle of the pack in FBS in total offense?
A red ass monkey masturbating in the press box could have done that.
This post was edited by Larry Kazamias 12 months ago
Freshman skill players are much more common and effective than freshman anything else. It is not ideal, but rb is known to be one of the easiest positions for frosh to come in and play early on. Whether this years incoming recruits have the ability to do that is my concern. I really dislike hearing about players unable to pick up blocking schemes. How hard could it be?
Every time I have a nervous/angsty spring, we have a great fall. I'm just doing my part, fellas.
Watch out, the Boner Brigade is going to light you up with the downvotes.
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