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A modest number of absentee ballots left to be counted in Miami-Dade (heavy Obama), Broward (heavy Obama), Hillsborough (50-50), Duval (50-50), Okaloosa (heavy Romney), Escambia (lean Romney), Pinellas (50-50), and Putnam (heavy Romney).
More of these absentee ballots are in counties that went for Obama, but mathematically it could push everything close enough to at least trigger a recount.
What I think is most terrifying to Republicans is that Obama could have won this while losing all 3 of the major battlegrounds (Virginia, Ohio and Florida), Nevada looks to be solidly Democratic for the longterm, as does New Mexico, and after prop 64 I could see Colorado tipping from battleground to Democratic leaning. It could just be an electoral fluke because of the ticket (See: Reagan/Bush Sr.), but with the increasing rate of polarization I doubt it. The Republican Party as it is now is completely stagnant, growth in the Minnesota/Wisconsin area looks to have failed, and they're just losing ground all over the map. Unless they go through some serious changes in before 2016, the 45th president will be a Democrat as well
Thye have made their base 50 year old white malesand hyper religous conservatives. Two bases that are shrinking
I just hope after this election, and this is a silly hope, I know...but I want people to start not taking such extreme stances and try to work together more instead of this idiocy with wanting to be identified with a group and having to disagree on everything with such animosity because the party platform says so. I know it's human nature but if we want to progress we need to work on changing and improving. Don't be afraid to have your own opinions, people.
One of the reasons America has not moved forward is because of this. We can see it in Congress with Congress refusing to work together or work with the president, so we haven't gotten enough done. How about this, instead of spending all the energy trying to win future elections for your party, you actually work on making things better. Instead of attacking the opposing party as bitterly as possible and encouraging people to follow suit (causing a huge rift), you lead by example and help make people understand we can't be as productive as possible while being so divided. You have the power, leaders. Do something good with it.
STOP, just stop now. Rational thinking and doing things that are good for the Republic is just NOT how politics are done now.
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I'd also like to thank all the posters in this thread.
I watched the discovery and history channels last night and then looked at CNN online this morning to see who won.
Reading the entire thread gave a great perspective of how last night evolved. (Oops, that gives away which side I'm on...).
Big issue for Republicans is going to be immigration. The Hispanic vote turned NM, NV and CO to Obama, and with those states the President didn't have to win OH or FL (even though he has OH and looks like he'll take FL). You figure the Hispanic populations in AZ and TX are only going to be increasing in the future, and though TX probably stays Republican for a long time, AZ could turn into a toss-up state.
I don't see how the Republicans can continue their strong anti-immigration stance and hope to gain the White House anytime soon.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Anti-immigration or anti-illegal immigration?
Karl Rove lost the remaining credibility he had last night
He had credibility?
The GOP has become way too big of a party with differing factions: You have religious / social conservatives, libertarians, Moderate Republicans, and tea partiers all voting together. This worked wonders in 88, 94, 00, 04, 06, and 10, but you can start to see the party fracuture. Democrats are somewhat unified by an idea of a rising tide lifts all boats and social progression. The only cohesion the GOP has is that "we're not democrats."
We saw this in the 60s with the Democrats. The Dems had Jews, Minorities, Racist southerners, and the poor. After LBJ signed the civil rights act, they lost the racist southerners. The party became too big to govern, and there was a shift and realignment of politics.
I think that you're going to see that, with the GOP moving to the right to embrace Libertarians, Tea Partiers, and Social / Religious conservatives, while the Dems pick up moderate republicans. This is going to lead to a period of Dem governance (not outright wins, but something resembling 70-94, where Republican Dominance was the norm.
While this sounds like it's pie in the sky hopes of a dyed in the wool Dem, the alternative would be a major fracture of the party, with the growth of a true third party of Libertarians, Social / Religious Conservatives, and Tea Partiers; a moderate republican party (pulling conservative dems that have shifted to the party as the GOP has moved right); and a leaner Democratic party (without the New South and New West, likely). This, of course, would require a major change in the party structure, and thus is far less likely.
What's clear, is that the current Republican model of a hodgepodge colition is unsustainable. It likely cost the Republicans a decent chance at the Senate, and certainly lost them a seat in Indiana and a seat in Maine.
Any chance we can add respect for science and the environment to that list?
AA, it goes simply to who the GOP thinks their base is.
Pandering to the white male voter doesn't work anymore. Courting the minority vote, blacks, hispanics, etc. is the wave of the future in politics.
Having views on immigration that counter the voter views on the same subject won't win any minority voters over.
I fully expect the GOP to change that tactic, and start to elevate more minority candidates to positions of significance, and groom more for public office.
I can't remember her name, but you have that black woman from Utah, who despises Obama, expect to see more of her in the near future.
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Mia love or something like that? Didn't she just lose her race four a Utah house seat?
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Yeah, that is her.
She went up against a 6 time Senator, tough to unseat, and she only lost by 1.2 percent.
Based on that, I would call her a minority star in the GOP they could tout in the future.
GOP poured a ton of cash into her campaign.
How do you move to the right to embrace Libertarians? They are fiscally conservative and want personal choice on social issues. If anything, Republicans would need to move to the left to embrace Libertarians.
The RCMB...is one of the most awful, alarming, inappropriate, disgusting, and offensive msg boards in the history of the internet.
its been awhile since I took a political theory class, but I'll take a shot.
The concept of limited, or more limited governmental action is further along on the conservative scale in true sense (think Jeffersonianism), but that in this country conservatism has been bastardized to be a position on social values, cultural issues, and the other things that are commonly associated with today's Republican party. (things that Jefferson would say are no business of the government to decide) In a true sense of the word, Ron Paul is more conservative than Mitt Romney, due to his stronger belief in limited the role of government.
of course I could be completed wrong in this.
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