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Uhhhh this is awkward...my Uncle is the attorney for the Thoms (Kalas is his partner, but he is also working on the case and represented the Thoms in the lower court cases)....
Pretty sure he is a builder. I know he built a friend of mines church.
Either that or, there's what it's worth and what it cost to build. While we all got whacked in the real estate downturn, anyone building for over 1M in Macomb County was likely spending more money to build the structure then it would ever be worth. 1M+ homes in southeast Michigan are so custom and unique, no one is going to pay your cost for what you did because it is what you wanted. Also, he was highly incented to do the bare minimum to get a certificate of occupancy, have the tax man move along, then dump heavy money into bringing the property up to his "taste".
If you don't like HOAs or have a problem with authority... then build in the middle of a fking cornfield... Don't crap up the HOA's neighborhood because you can't follow through on the legally binding commitment you agreed to at purchase time.
This. everything they did was by the letter of the law. HOAs are fucking evil and have gotten so completely out of control in this country it's ridiculous - primarily because they are usually helmed by control freaks and used by assholes like these plaintiffs as if they are LAW when they aren't. The plaintiff's are giant babies and can go fuck themselves. what fucking difference does 12 feet make when it's on his property anyway? it's STILL 28 feet from the property line! that's HIS FUCKING PROPERTY.
Apparently they are the law, at least according the Michigan Court of Appeals who upheld them as legal. I don't understand why people buy into a sub with its restrictions then bitch about having to comply with them. I don't know why people drive through a prospective sub, and notice how much they like it-ignoring that one of the reasons it looks like a nice place to buy a house is because of the restrictions-then decide they want to go their own way. Buy ten acres somewhere and build the ponderosa on your terms. But if 40 or 50 or 100 families buy into a sub and want to have some continuity that governs aesthetics, that's their right. If they want to group up with people who don't want 10 crappy cars sitting in front of your house, that is their right. Having decided to live together under these terms, why do people insist on moving into this situation and fucking that up?
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This same crap happened in my parents neighborhood. Guy built a house to within 2 feet of the property line, but then built permanent landscaping out as far as 8 feet in places onto a easement of land jointly owned by the neighbors, my parents included. Then they used their money and power to get the local government to take away our use of the easement for it's intended purpose, lake access. It took years but we eventually got the landscaping removed and our use back, but at that point my dad had given up our boat because the upkeep wasn't worth it if we couldn't use it (it was an old 22 foot wooden sailboat he built in our garage).
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I really think people need to lay off these people and calling them f*** idiots. That simply isn't the case, you don't end up with their weath by being stupid.
Now I think we have every right to call them arrogant fuc*s. That is 100% accurate. I haven't read up on them but I wouldn't doubt it if they were scUM Alum.
Anyone who has ealth with building dept's, townships, cities,..... you know not to mess with them... Dumb.
Some are evil but not all. In this case, the HOA is completely in the right here, assuming it's spelled out very clearly what clearances the houses have to be from the property lines.
The problem is when you *make* exceptions for one person. It opens the door for everyone down the line. For this homeowner, they violate distances to the edge by 12 and 20 feet… if it's permitted, the next person can use that to build 16 and 25… then right up to within inches of the border. All they need to do is say "Well, he did it and you didn't complain, therefore, I should be able to too!"
My parents live in a large lot residential sub and there's always some smuck that moves in and tries to change things to suit what they want to do and that's where things get real sticky because once you make *one* exception, it permits the mass builders to come in and use it as precedence for all kinds of changes. In the case of my folk's subdivision, one person wanted to split a lot (remember, these are 1 acre each) into two lots. Sounds innocent enough until the next guy in line wanted to split his into 8 lots and put in 8 bungalows…. and another guy was talking an apartment building on the corner… yes, technically its *his* land but at one time, all the owners got together and agreed what the subdivision would look like over the years and they then made rules to keep it that way. People that can't live within those rules need to either take it to the subdivision board to ask permission to change the rules for everyone *or* live somewhere else. Period.
Best suggestion is to get the HOA handbook prior to moving in, read it over and make sure you understand it. If you can live within those rules, then there shouldn't be any problems. If you can't, DON'T MOVE THERE!!!
Paris Hilton is one of many examples that intelligence is not necessarily tied to wealth.
Here's the problem.
They KNEW ABOUT THE RULES before the bought and before they built. I don't disagrewe with you that the size and law seems a bit ridiculous but the fact is they knew in advance, if they didn't like the HOA rules then don't build there or get them changed first. Don't build first....
Also with HOA's, if you don't have these rules in place for so much petty things, you end up with a neighborhood that looks like crap. We can't have fences or sheds in ouir neighborhood, no swingsets if on water, etc..... There have been a few issues that I think are common sense that they ruled against...... but the fact is they give everybody a binder to read and review before you buy the lot or house, if you don't like it don't move there -iregardless(sp?) whether or not the rules are silly or good
Um....they are the definition of f*** idiots. Look it up in webster. And, no, you DON'T have to be smart to be rich, in fact many, many people are rich for no other reason then being lucky enough to have the last name they do.
And yes, guaranteed to be SCum fans.
Why are the rules in this sub so stringent? They built it pretty far from both the property lines. Not sure what the big deal is
I generally despise HOAs. But ours works. I pay $100 year, and for that we are guaranteed that a fire abatement trail is maintained (we live in NorCal against the hills ... Fire danger can be high in the summers). Excess is rolled into a fund to throw a kick ass block party very year and to set some funds aside in case of future need. Neighborhood arguments over house color, etc, simply don't exist. That said, the local building dept would never have allowed a structure to be built that violated zoning requirements. It would surely suck to be the guy that needs to move his house.... And I hope the jackass that sued has to eat all that he has sunk into lawyers. Geez.... Sometimes, people suck.
Spartans ...committed to bring Paul Bunyan home in 2013.
Well, Bob the Builder is going to knock on their door some day and say, "Get the f**k out, I'm tearing you house down" for the sole reason they were dumbasses. Not only were they dumbasses, they spent upwards of $300,000 in court to prove it. Stupid people and their money are soon parted.
I looked it up on Google Maps, these look like pretty large lots, probably 3/4-1 acre or more so it promotes continuity and the look they were all looking for (my sub is 10 feet from one property line and and 17 feet between houses, so I could live with what occurred here). Heavily wooded around all the houses but this one, looks like he just mowed everything down and built this thing, then added in a huge patio leading out to a sports court. Must be most athleatic special needs kid ever.
UM, Green Bay and Chicago teams all have one thing in common: They all suck
States the guy trying to pawn imitation folding chairs...........
Not true about the wealth part. They *could* be stupid. Mighta been inherited money or perhaps won in a lottery especially as further in the article they mention not having the money to handle this issue with tearing down / rebuilding.
Sounds to me like they *are* actually stupid for dumping their money this way on a huge, oversized house in a crappy economy where they KNEW they were getting into a bind with HOA codes yet went ahead with it anyway. Sucks to be them...good for the HOA though.
Sometimes the builder doesn't care about where the house is to be located on the lot. My sister owns 95 acres of wooded land and several years ago decided to build a log home on the property. Set back rules were not an issue of course due to the size of the acreage. She staked out where she wanted the house placed in relation to where her road through the woods ended in the clearing. She had to go out of town on business for a few days before the digging was to start and asked our other sister to check on the property.
Our other sister drove out to the site and found the builder was there 3 days early and had dug the foundation hole, only in the wrong place. He had removed the stakes and put the house in the totally wrong location. She told him to stop what the hell he was doing and wait for our sister to get back. The next day she went back to the property and he had poured all the footings in the wrong location. Not only that, he had dug the hole too big and had to fill in part of it where the garage was going to be, and charged extra for it. He got fired shortly afterwards, but not before he embezzled several thousand dollars from my sister. So sometimes mistakes aren't the fault of the property owner.
This is why I don't build mansions.
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
Not a word.
These are deed restrictions. I don't know what this has to do with a HOA.
Gotta love all the lawn ornaments Mr. Millionaire's neighbor has. Good luck living next to the Clampetts, dipstick.
"Can we come over and swim in your ceement pond, Mr Drysdale?"
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Twelve years ago I tried to build a home that just didn't fit properly on the lot because of set back rules. The builder told me he couldn't build it. So, I walked away and built the home in another community. I have no sympathy for the defendants.
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