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Yeah. I wonder why these shots didn't go in?
Oh yes, we were getting hacked to shit all game.
This was huge.
We have only one pure shooter (Harris...a frosh with a bad shoulder) on this team and he probably played his worst game of the season. We also have a true shooting guard playing the point out of necessity because Korie Lucious fucked the program over and is now the starting point guard for Iowa State. This team is talented, and plays really good D, but lacks consistent offensive firepower. They will be substantially better next season but if Izzo wants a 2nd NC he is going to need an offense capable of scoring more than 60 points a game when they get to the post season.
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Curry was great tonight and Plumlee came to play as well. I hate when people harp on the officials after every game their team loses, this board in particular. Can't say these officials cost us the game, but they definitely made the enitre 2nd half (after the 16:00 timeout) about them. The officials were by far the most important players on the floor for the final 16 minutes of gameplay. Every thing had to with them all the way until the final whistle.
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Looking back at games off the top of my head I didn't have major issues with the officiating in the UConn or Miami losses. We screwed ourselves at SCum with the awful TO by Appling late. No major issues with either OSU loss either. The one other loss for MSU I have a major issue with the refs was IU at home when Zeller perfectly timed his own nut punch to when MSU had completely seized momentum. That completely changed that game.
That said, these refs were absolute garbage tonight. Dawson had the perfect block in the first half only to gt saddled with the foul that helped tick him in foul trouble and gave Duke 2 free points. Duke got hosed on the blatant goal tend. Those are the most aggregious blunders. From there it was a brutal mix of inconsistency combined with a crapload of ticky tack BS. It's absurd that both teams were in he double bonus for nearly half of the second half. No flow and a FT parade.
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The officiating seemed to favor Duke in the 1st half. Honestly, the 2nd half I thot it was called as well as you could expect. - we were in the double bonus before Duke and at one time had a 4-0 advantage in team fouls. Plus as someone else has posted, we did get a few calls go our way. So in the end, it was Curry going off and us not hitting a goddamn thing.
Duke played a better game and the officiating didn't decide the outcome. In today's basketball, that's all you can hope for.
Wrong. We were in the double bonus 12 minutes into the second half and Duke not until 16 minutes into it. Apology accepted.
This post was edited by MSchott 13 months ago
i would more so say it changed on Appling's charge that would have made it a 1 point game
This is a myth. We don't blame the officials for every game. Look at Louisville last year, I don't recall people blaming the officiating at all. The consensus was we just flat out got beat.
I also don't remember this much anger following several losses this year, I wouldn't say the officials cost us a single loss this season except this one personally. This one though they made up for that by making it impossible to win. MSU couldn't have won this game because of it, I really believe that.
It's not just us, I see the refs do this to so many of Duke's opponents. I have little to no personal bias in games MSU (or Michigan/Wisconsin) isn't playing, and I see Duke get this favorable officiating almost every game. If you don't believe me, just look at the statistical evidence if you want to go by that.
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I don't think it was why we lost, but the games are just so boring when every little thing gets called. Just let the kids play a little
You mean, Mason the guy who takes 3-4 steps across the lane every time he touches the ball in the post? Holy shit, had they called half the travels he committed that alone would have cost Duke 10 points.
And don't get me started on the bear hug screens Kelly used to get Curry good looks from 3.
It wasn't the number of fouls called, it was the type of calls and their timing. Dawson gets one called on a clean block and then 2mins later, Appling is tackled on a 3-point attempt with no call. The 5-second call/no-call, etc.
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I can't say that the refs were the reason why MSU lost, I mean you've gotta make shots and MSU picked a bad day to have every one of their players minus Apps play poorly on the offensive end.
The being said, the officiating just made this a brutal game to watch. I love watching college bball but this game had no flow and was just a terrible game for college basketball as a whole. Every time down the court there was a whistle blown, and it takes all the fun out of watching the games.
It became a free throw shooting contest at times which no one wants to watch.
This. 28 fouls called in the second half after a fairly decently called first half. And not just the number of fouls either, but the inconsistency of the fouls. Not calling ticky tack fouls...then changing up and calling them...but only on one team. One of the worst officiated games I've seen in the tourney so far and it made the game just brutal to watch because it absolutely killed any flow and rhythm to the game for the whole 2nd half. It wasn't the reason we lost...we were just outshot mostly...but it was a contributing factor.
This post was edited by SpartyHardy 13 months ago
Ideally good teams should be able to overcome lousy,unfair officiating. And in today's game lousy officiating is the rule rather than the exception. That said, if last nights game had been called consistently, Duke's entire starting five would have fouled out. Poor officiating disrupted the game flow, slowed the game down and allowed Duke to get away with hack defense, all of which worked to their favor. Should State have still overcome it - yes. Should they have had to - no.
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The officiating wasn't fine, it was atrocious. It was consistent however, just consistently bad. The officiating eliminated any possibility of us getting back into the game because every possession was a foul (both ways), so it became a freethrow shooting exhibition rather than a basketball game.
Duke had a long scoring drought as well....
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Also blamed them for several close wins.
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I don't think the officiating was good, but I was too pissed at the way we played to even care. And I think Curry is still dropping 3s on us.
Izzo having to kick both him and Chris Allen off the team dramatically weakened our depth at both guard positions. We were still trying to overcome that during this past season, IMO.
The two mysterious offensive fouls in a row, while calling ticky tack stuff on MSU was part of the run that separated the two teams. So, NO, the second half was not called as well as can be expected.
Pretty silly bump considering that if you read the posts, 5 out of 6 are not blaming the refs for the loss.
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