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This is an average football team that has enough talent to be competitive, but lacks the leadership necessary to win.
At this point, I really am just hoping for a 7-6 record anyway possible. Any season with a bowl and a +.500 record is not a "total disaster" in my book, especially from where this program used to be when I was in high school.
However, it still was a very disappointing season. The good news is that if we can at least make a bowl we ensure ourselves 15 additional practices which this team desperately needs at this point. Couple that with some positive feelings heading into next year and a lot of players returning and there is a lot to be excited about for next season.
Worthy of most people who follow the sport, all the writers, analysts, and book handicappers. Making a definitive evaluation of a team solely off record is just silly. I think you probably know that. I find it hard to believe you would tell me that State was the same team if they had lost all four conference games by 20+ points but checked in with the same record.
No. Next question.
"People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." - Mark Dantonio.
Nope, I don't. I think unless you're Bama and go out and crush people then the difference between 5-5 and 8-2 is typically just a few plays in a few games. This team hasn't made those plays and the 2009 Iowa team did.
Your first point is a good one. Even with losses to OSU and Iowa if they find a way to beat UM and Neb. we'd all be talking about what time we had reservations at St. Elmo's in Indy the first weekend of December. But it would still be the same team.
Lots of little variables make a season what it is. If MSU red-shirts Keshawn back in 08 and he's a R-Sr this year I think we'd have two more wins. I think the 13 team will learn from these close defeats and have a great year, much like the 10 team learned from 09.
I get the point, but it is a horrible point. Are you really excited that if MSU would have made 1 more play, they could have beaten a really shitty Iowa team? Does a good team go into the 4th quarter against a shitty EMU team winning by 2? I'm sure you are giddy about needing to come from behind to beat an Indiana team that just lost by 50 to Wisconsin. Good teams don't also play like shit against crap teams
that's not what I said.
What I said was that MSU is a 5-5 football team roughly in the same spot as all the other 5-5 teams from comparable conferences. We don't have any other 5-5 teams in the big ten right now but if they played MSU tomorrow somebody would win. Rather, somebody would have to win. I can grasp that.
It's not a fixed observation. It's where we are in week 11 of the season.
I don't know what I would think if MSU lost all four games by 20 points. Thankfully that hasn't happened this year so I don't have to think too much about it. But if I had to have an opinion I suppose it would be of greater pessimism.
Then again we could argue that MSU might have won by 20 points in all of it's wins and only lost close games, but that hasn't happened either. Rather the truth is we've played about good enough to be 5-5, no better, no worse, especially considering the opposition.
Therefore I say, that is what we are.
Is anyone else curious what blanch does for a living?
I think you mean 2007. The 2009 team was blown out by PSU and lost to Texas Tech by 10.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
I might agree if not for the Iowa loss. That was BAD.
You are right, but the parallel still exists in my opinion.
Look, I'm not saying we're a really good football team because we are not. I'm just saying that we are not as bad as people on this board think we are. We are definitely closer to 9-1 then we are to 2-8 and I think next year will prove that.
EDIT: Hi Mikey V.
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"I love March!" - Tom Izzo
You're right, let's just quit keeping score and declaring a winner, and just argue subjectively about which team is better then the other.
How bad do you think people think we are? I think people think this is a mediocre team with a good defense which it is. This league is shit, you started a first year qb who had been in your system for 4 fricking years of having him at practive the coaches haven't been able to teach him how to put any touch on the ball. This is not a good team, the B1G is crap and they have yet to win a league game at home. It is what it is, they aren't good, but they aren't among the worst I've seen either.
In my mind the 2008 UM team was actually 8-4.
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