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BGS, my first reaction to your post was also "Bama! Lock it!"
But then I thought more about what you were asking. Is it DIFFICULT to win without a dual threat QB. And I think that's why I answered yes.
Anyone can point out exceptions. Bama. MSU with Cousins. Wisconsin. USC. But let's look at the entire landscape. Look at the Top 25. By my completely unofficial, incompetent quick glance, at least half of the teams have a mobile/spread QB. It is definitely trending upward. Look at the MAC. Everyone seemingly runs a spread option. It's much easier to become competitive with that type of offense than it is to find a quality, pro-style QB. That is a very unique talent. Finding a guy who is athletic, can run, and can throw the ball a little bit is much easier to do.
So yeah, I think you can still win with a pocket QB in college football. Definitely. But it's becoming increasingly difficult - even moreso if you aren't a program that marches in 4 and 5 stars like it's going out of style.
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I'm not sure that's entirely true. This year got me thinking about Dantonio's record in one-score games, and the short version is that if you compare his three best and three worst years here, not only was our record much better in close games when we had a good team, but we had WAY fewer of them. I know the natural intuition is just to say that we were better last year because we were more clutch in tight matches, but we only had 3 one-score games in the entire regular season (compared to, what, 7 this year??).
2007, 2009, and 2012 were so brutal as fans because we were losing sooo many close games all year, but all three of those teams had crippling flaws. Whenever Dantonio's teams are at least solid in every phase of the game, we end up putting away most teams pretty early, which is what pro-style + solid defense is supposed to do.
Ha ha ha ha really? You chumps really think dantonio is changing his offense because of one bad year? Yes it has sucked but he will stick to his gameplan. It would be SHOCKING to see damion terry playing next year. Even If terry did play it would be because he could pass first and run later. We will never be a gimmick offense under dantonio. If you want that, go suck a hoke.
Who has more NFL players on their team annually, Alabama, USC or Oregon ?
and when Florida and OSU have had the most success lately, their QB's were the best runners on the field.
The problem, is there are very few actual dual threat QBs. Dual threat is a buzz word for "throws like a girl" in 95% of cases.
Banks, who was over a decade ago, Wilson, and even Troy Smith were. Very few designed runs, but they were dangerous on escape.
IMO, all the guys you mentioned in the current B1G are runners first and really only effective throwing when nobody sees it coming. Half a step above Tommy Frazier throwing it.
The lack of real QB play is a large portion of the conference's sucking currently. It's like we've reverted to the 70s and replaced the wishbone with the read option.
It also helps to have a competent OC, when you don't have a bunch of guys in their senior year who re-wrote the record books at your school.
The are no elite QBs in the league and Martin and Dennard are the most experienced. Give me an elite drop back QB then lets discuss. Interesting how UM fans are not sure they want to go back to Dennard, instead may favor an inexperienced drop back passer in Gardner.
Miller is very very good - big, fast, and can pass.
You can win with a drop back QB but you better have great OLmen and WRs. Dual threats can cover up some other weaknesses but if your running out of a spread there are other issues that will eventually be exposed. Ideally if you have a dual threat running a pro style offense with a great OL, it can be hard to stop. We need to get the OL up to speed or we are going to struggle no matter who is at QB.
Gardner is not a drop back pocket passer. He's more of a passer than Denard, sure, but hardly a pocket passer.
They actually ran pretty much pro style the last 2 weeks with Gardner. The staple play of the Denard spread is the read option. From what I saw they didnt do any read option with Gardner. It was more power running, play action and QB rollout with run/pass option.
NW is going to give us a whole different look this week. With Persa they were pretty much a passing spread. Now they have gone to running spread and more of an option look with Colter. Fitz has done a good job adapting the offense to the skill set of his QB. They looked alot like Air Force last week against UM.
I don't think you need a elite level dual threat athlete, but I think someone with enough pocket presence to scramble when the time is right is certainly something that aids in winning.
Think Andrew Luck and Aaron Rodgers type of athleticism.
I would hope that Terry would at least get a shot for the '14 starting job, but am not holding my breath on that. I think you're right about MD would not run a "gimmick" offense, & if Terry can't show that he has a pro-style arm, then he'll never be the starter here.
How is it a gimmick offense. Oregon is about to go to their 2nd national title game and they are better than the team that went the first time. And we don't have to implement a full spread offense, we can install a few wrinkles to spread the game out. Also Texas A&M beat Bama with their gimmick spread.
Its an equalizer v. bigger and stronger teams. Just like the 3 point shot in basketball.
This. You're basing your team's hopes too much on one player. Sure, any team can have a QB injury, but the problem with dual threats is it's tough to have two good ones on a team that are ready to go. Your main dual-threat goes down, and your team has to change the entire offensive mind-set--unless you have two legitimate dual-threat QBs. It's much easier to have a couple (or more) pro-style QBs on the team--especially with fewer teams using that offense.
Most of these dual threat QBs are actually single threat QBs. They can't throw to save their lives. Guys like RGIII, Newton, Geno Smith, etc. are pretty rare. Then you've got Robinson, Martinez and company.
If you wanted a unified theory on offense, I would look at the OL not the QB.
Also, I think a mobile QB is better than a dual threat. Get the ball to playmakers and use their feet to extend plays.
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I think UM has pulled another Henson/Brady where the more talented guy sat while the perceived guy started. It looks like Gardner has more tools to be a dual threat than Robinson.
Russell Wilson is what i'm thinking. He was very smart, read through all his passing options, and had the pocket presence to either scramble out of the pocket to extend plays or take advantage of holes with his legs. He's doing the same in the pros. He's so much fun to watch, I wish he wasn't at Wisconsin last year.
In relation to TAMU & their spread offense,,,,just a hypothetical question....
If MSU had a kid with a similar skill set to Johnny M at TAMU,,,how do you think our coaches would handle him....
First, JM won the starting job at Fall camp there,,,,what do you think the chances would have been that as a RS Frosh he would have beat out Maxwell for the QB job here ?
Second, If you had a player like JM at QB, what are the chances that Roushar would have a clue as how to play call to utilize those skills properly ?
Third, if not QB, where would MD play that kid,,,,if at all ?
My answers would be....no chance.....very low......& possibly slot WR or bench,,,,,at least until Maxwell leaves & then a possible shot at QB job.
Point being, MD is committed to pro-style O & hasn't shown any inclination to change.
Pro style QB's are great if they have close to future pro level throwing talent, but how many of those come out of HS each year. A couple dozen maybe.
Northwestern runs an offense that's about 80% similar to Nebraska's, not sure if that qualifies as a whole different look. Certainly a departure from what Northwestern has done in the past though, but just think of Colter as Martinez and Mark as Abdullah. Same set of draws/counters/speed option.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
So I open up the paper this morning and what does it say but "MSU prepares for dual-threat qb as NW brings in the nations #14 rushing attack" They ran for over 300 yards against UM last Saturday.
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