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Special Teams this year has been an utter nightmare. It has gone from a unit that made plays to a unit that is unable to make plays. How many times in 2010 and 2011 did a Special Teams play turn a game in favor of MSU? Outside of Sadler’s UofM run I am struggling to come with another example for 2012. I would even say Special Teams is now more of a liability…
This will probably get buried, but I'll throw my 2 cents in.
When MD took over the program he was known as a badass disciplinarian who wasn't afraid to let you know you f*cked up. The aura surrounding him was that of a "tough love" father, the kind of stability MSU needed after a childhood of delinquent step-fathers.
Since the start of this season I feel like the players no longer fear him, and as a result, have let their discipline wane on and off the field. There's no excuse for giving up a late penalty and keeping the same player on the field to botch coverages....for example.
You know, I actually checked on that (re: penalties). MSU has never been "disciplined" on the field under MD, if you look at it in terms of penalties; they're actually on track to be the least penalized team under MD in terms of penalties/game. Penalty yardage, admittedly, is another story.
Where I think he's made the difference is off the field. 6 years, and the Rather Hall group has been the only major off-campus thing. I don't think there was a single Spartan on the police blotter this past summer.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Treadwell was not a great OC either. Our offense has been bad since JLS.
Yeah count me in this group too.
(Andre) Sims doesnt do much, Conroy has been fair at best and has missed some HUGE kicks that are close.
Just a bad year in so many different aspects. We have no "difference-makers" offensively on this team right now besides Bell at times.
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The offense wasn't good under JLS either. They'd put up big #s vs. Eastern/Western/Central and then face plant. They had 1 good year, 2005.
2004 was pretty damn good, they averaged 239 yards a game on the ground and 460 yards a game total. Put up massive numbers against Michigan (535 yards), Illinois (487), Minnesota (636), and Wisconsin (551) among others. This is also despite the fact they started the year with Steven Reeves as a QB and had Damon Dowdell for quite a few games in the middle.
2005 was exceptional, averaging 201 on the ground and 295 in the air. Huge games against ND (488), Illinois (705), Michigan (455), Ohio State (456), Penn State (401), among others.
2003 and 2006 the offenses were pretty average and in 2006 the offense totally fell apart by the end of the year.
I really hope that Terry is the answer. Offense really has more to do with your QB than any other factor. We haven't had an elite level QB yet. We've had some really good QB's with Banks, Smoker, Cousins, Stanton, Hoyer, but it's time we have someone in the elite category. I worry about the ability of Roushar and Dantonio to let the reins loose and run our offense like it needs to be (wide open spread attack).
WRONG. Coaches don't win games when you lack talent and experience. No fucking coach can make receivers stop dropping catchable passes and no coach can run an offense with a decimated OL. Also, the defense, while mostly great has been weak at crunch time in more than a few games (Nebraska, UM and others). That has cost us as much as the weak offense.
Check the PPG for each year. JLS was great at moving the ball between the 20s. Not so great at scoring in the RZ.
Oh yeah. I've had serious doubts ever since he brought home that championship trophy in 2010 and division title in 2011. He hasn't ever shown the propensity to make the right decision in tough circumstances with the game on the line. The guy is clueless.
Not being on the inside, I can only speculate, but I think there's something to this. Dantonio's mood seems to be more permissive. He was clearly pissed after the EMU game, but ever since, his pressers are like, "Well, we're playing hard, but you've got to make plays." I get the sense that he realizes we're undermanned.
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It's odd, because before the season he seemed pretty confident. I remember in 2009 he was a bit apprehensive, but this year it seemed like he felt the team was good to go.
And Treadwell had to do it with another staff's players the first few years.
Yup, came through in the demeanor of the whole program. Lot's of pre-season swagger.
If this season is a learning experience, I wouldn't be surprised if coach D learns more than anyone else.
Don't post poop!
Who is accountable for being undermanned at this point?
Why the fuck is Dantonio guaranteeing a win @ Minnesota?
Newsflash, Coach D: we have had a shitty season after coming in as favorites to win the conference. How about some humility?
When you graduate your great QB and entire starting WR staff and then your OL is decimated by injury, I don't think you can blame this entirely on recruiting. I happen to think that MSU does not get great recruits on a regular basis and this will keep the team from contending on a consistent basis and this does hurt our depth.
This feels completely exactly 100% to-a-tee like 2009. We've lost some close games (like 2009). We've been absolutely miserable at executing in crucial spots (remember ND '09, or CMU?). The players have made some horrible mistakes at crucial moments (Iowa '09 or roughing the kicker to lose at Minnesota '09?). The coaches have done several bonehead things (to the OP, that timeout at the end of the half last Saturday was moranic--you're absolutely right,). The officials have really hurt us a couple of times as well (remember that horrible replay overturn at Minnesota in 2009? It reminds me of Nebraska 2012).
The team makes losing plays, the coaches make some poor decisions, and we never catch big breaks. It's execution, it's coaching, and it's bad luck. Just like '09.
Frankly, it's taken the perfect shitstorm to get us to 5-6. Next year will be brighter. And, hey, when Vegas puts the over/under on MSU wins in 2013 at 7.5, bet the over. You'll look like a genius and you'll make a couple bucks. 2013 is far more likely to look like 2010 than 2009.
Explain how the OL and WR situations are on the coaches. You are right about the defense but there is no doubt that they haven't made plays when needed at the end of games.
I like it. It's good to show that you have confidence in your players. Bowl eligibility is a big deal.
And we're 8 point favorites. It's not like he's promising that we'll beat the '85 Bears.
Even the announcers pointed this out in the NW game. This is absolutely key. If you have a short field, you NEED to put points on the board - preferably touchdowns. In the first half against NW, MSU had the ball in the red-zone 3 times, and came out of that with 3 points.
It's enough to curdle your stomach.
What is it about MSU and a short-field situation?
I don't know about that. I watched the 2009 squad do it plenty of times. I'm not sure it's possible for a team to kick more 20-yard-or-shorter FGs than that 2009 Treadwell offense did.
Those "another staff's players" included an NFL wide receiver, an NFL tight end, an NFL running back, a serviceable offensive line, and Jehuu Caulcrick, among others.
I don't think Treadwell is as good as everyone remembers, and I don't think Roushar is quite as bad. There wasn't any mystery to our offense in 2007, when we had (at least statistically) the best offense in the B1G. We run an offense that relies greatly on talent and physical dominance. When we have the talent (2007 and 2011 especially) we excel. When there's a ton of turnover in talent and the line sucks, these are the results.
I'd love to see MSU incorporate more spread concepts, and I wouldn't be totally opposed to a complete spread overhaul. But then our fanbase would be crying "gimmick offense!"
Pretty close, actually. I'm not going to mine every box score to determine how many short fields resulted in a field goal attempt, but consider this:
Brett Swenson in 2009: 9-of-9 from 20-29 yards, 0-of-0 from 1-19 yards
Dan Conroy in 2012: 6-of-6 from 20-29 yards, 1-of-1 from 1-19 yards
You know what? Just stop. You're so far in over your head that you're drowning. Stop wasting scholarships on RBs? There are only 4 total on the roster this year (Bell, Caper, Hill, Tompkins), maybe 5 if you count Langford. Most teams carry 6-8 RBs. Readily apparent that MSU needs a 2nd RB option, and they're losing Caper and Bell after this year. Taking 2 RBs in '13 was essential.
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