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The OL situation is not necessary on the coaches, although weakness there is an ongoing issue with the program. But there was no surprise that we were loosing all of our receivers and out starting QB this year. None of them left early, only a true frosh missed practice time due to injury, this has been a known since the beginning of last year. How can all of them be totally unprepared?
Hey, to each their own.
I think it opens him up to be the running joke of the Big Ten until his team can bounce back and win 9 or 10 games.
I like Dantonio a lot. I think he has had a terrible year.
It doesn't. I'm not going to go back through 24 box scores and try to figure it out. But I've presented something a bit more tangible than "Use your eyes!"
I guess you could say the WR's should have had more playing time last year but how do you take out Cunningham when he was Cousin's go to guy and as reliable as they come? Burbridge of course is a true freshman, Fowler was injured much of last year, Lippett played DB and Mumphery didn't get much playing time.
I totally agree that we recruit poorly for the OL and have for a long time.
Well then feel free to determine exactly what constitutes a short field, and then go through the 13 box scores from 2009 and the 11 box scores from 2012 and record the results of all the drives that meet your criteria, and then tell us your findings.
We lost to Iowa. We were losing to Eastern at halftime.
There are no guarantees with this team. None.
No one's trying to argue that our offense isn't horrible this year.
Yet more evidence as to why Dantonio has no excuse to protect his buddy anymore, and he will deserve all the heat next year if Roushar is still here in 2013.
There is no damn excuse for such incompetence.
You're damn right about that. Iowa is really, really bad. We were easy favorites and blew it. In double OT. Dropping four interceptions. Why did you have to bring that up again?
We could very well lose Saturday. But the oddsmakers don't think it's a probability, and I agree with them. I sure hope Dantonio's right, and I hope the team rallies to back up their leader.
The 2009 offense had far more big play potential than this one. It didn't struggle so much just to gain five yards. I'd take the 2009 offense over this one in a heartbeat. But it was no slouch when it came to blowing opportunities, and that's what we were talking about in the first place.
Yes. And if Narduzzi and the guys on the defense in 2009 didn't blow chunks, if that team didn't have a -7 turnover margin, if we didn't make some boneheaded mistakes against CMU, Iowa, ND, Minnesota, if, if, if . . . we'd have been great that year, too. Every bad season could have a sentence like this.
This team makes losing plays. Bad teams lose close games. But the bright side is next year. tOSU was 6-6 last year. No need to jump off the ship here. It's one tough season. Move on. This team will have continuity in its players and coaches for next year, and that's a good thing. They'll flip some of those close ones. They'll find a way to make some winning plays instead of losing plays. And the schedule eases up a bit.
Stay on the bandwagon. I implore you.
I'm more concerned about them not rallying because they want Roushar gone like we do.
"I love March!" - Tom Izzo
This is exactly right. The offense was better in '09 on the whole. But it struggled in big spots consistently (stalling on the goal line, committing bad turnovers at the worst moments, etc.). In that way it's just like this group (fumbling on the one, getting stuffed on fourth and one with inches to go, fumbling on center QB exchanges, etc.)
The 2009 defense, on the other hand, looked remarkably like this offense. I keep trying to remind myself how well Narduzzi turned out, but damn...I have a hard time imagining Roushar ever NOT being a fucking idiot.
MSU recruited 10 OL from the '08 and '09 classes. THose would be your RS SR and RS JRs. Here's who's left:
2008: McDonald and Ruhland. Deyo transferred before this season, Hueter retired from football due to a back injury and Woods transferred during his true FR year.
2009: Treadwell, France, Klatt. Barrent retired from football and Reynolds is playing on the DL. France converted from the DL to the OL, so I guess that's a wash with Treadwell. Conway has been hurt in his career; not on the 2-deeps.
So that's 5 out of 10 that made it to their 4th/5th year. That's more than the usual 1/3 attrition.
Injuries have been devastating; maybe it's time to look into the S&C program for the linemen.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Why was maxwell handed the job the second he stepped on campus? The kid has no edge and a big reason is the way he's been handled by the staff. He's been told hes the man after KC since day one. No competition for him in 3 years.
It's exactly like 2009, except THIS staff has recruited and trained EVERY player on the team.
Because Joe Boisture got hurt?
How do you know that to be true?
Rocky, he was hurt his senior year in H.S. and it was public knowledge. When you're recruiting and that's the situation, do you take a 2nd QB just in case?
Everything here is on the mark.
1. The things we can't control have really hurt us (officiating, injuries, etc.)
2. We've done a great job of fucking up the things we can control (fast field goal vs. Iowa, squandered goal line changes vs. Northwestern, getting one 1st down/one defensive stop to ice a game, etc.)
3. As much as everyone wants to shout things like "There's no accountability!" and "Roushar sucks!" and "Dantonio needs to answer some tough questions!" to make themselves feel like they have worthwhile opinions, the best solution for what's costing MSU games is time, unless you're interested in a total overhaul of MSU's offensive philosophy.
This post was edited by Omar Comin19758 17 months ago
Who would you like to axe from the 2010 class to make room for a marginal quarterback recruit who probably wouldn't be anywhere near as good as Maxwell anyway? 2-star LeVeon Bell? 2-star Darqueze Dennard? An offensive lineman? Mike Sadler? Tony Lippett? Kurtis Drummond? Marcus Rush? Keith Mumphery?
I don't...and hope that it isn't.
I don't. I just hope it isn't. We need to win...keep the bowl streak going...and get those extra practices going forward for next season.
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