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I agree with every word.
2012 Florida. 5th in the country in total defense, 106th in total offense. Stop being fucking stupid.
What is the significance of this sequence of numbers?
10, 24, 3, 3, 3, 14, 10, 0, 3, 14, 5.
Vim -- noun: robust energy and enthusiasm : VITALITY
They beat TAMU,LSU,SCar and their defense isn't that good
Talent this, talent that. How much talent do we have on the offensive line?
106th in the country with 330.6 ypg
5th in the country giving up 284.9 ypg
Again, Florida has the 5th best defense in the country and the 106th ranked offense.
I'm gonna say something from that "Lost" show...
Far less talent? Um no, the lack of talent on State's line is very apparent. Plus just how good are the receivers? Burbridge is clearly talented, but young and coming off injury. Sims is very talented but was hurt for a long stretch. Bell is a great power back, but the team clearly could have used a speed threat. Bottom line is the offense wasn't close to as talented as fans thought, or probably what the coaches thought.
It's our first-half scoring this year. We're averaging less than a TD per first half, if you take out the CMU game, it's fucking ugly. One of the worst parts of this miserable season is that we haven't shown any urgency at the beginning of games, or to come out and change the tide. Even the defense has been flat. Again, coaching.
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pts in the first half of games
"You make sure when you come, you got a little blood in your eye, a little blood in your eye, a little fire in your belly. We there yet?"
I feel like crying after reading that. thanks
so this is all on roushar
Show me the talent on this offense. Bell is a quality back without enou speed to break big runs, the receivers are average at best and the O line absolutely sucks. Sims is very good but has been hurt and Maxwell has talent but lacks experience and is behind that crappy and beat up line. They suck dude.
Florida's offense has far less talent? Really?
Jeff Driskel - 32nd ranked player in the country in 2011
Mike Gillislee - 236th ranked player in the country in 2009
Jordan Reed - 10th ranked TE in the country in 2009
Quinton Dunbar - 150th ranked player in the country in 2010
Frankie Hammond - 212th ranked player in the country in 2008
Omarius Hines - 168th ranked player in the country in 2008
They also have another 6 offensive skill position top 250 players on the bench.
Those are just their skill positions. You realize that MSU has only one top 250 player in their skill positions and that person is a freshman. I could go over all the OL recruits but to be honest I have no idea who starts on the Florida OL. Just know that Florida has the following top 250 OL recruits - 2008 - Matt Patchen, 2009 - Nick Alajajian, Xavier Nixon, 2010 - Chaz Green, Ian Silberman. MSU has none in that same time period.
Please don't give me that crap that they have "far less talent". Recruiting rankings don't mean everything but trust me, when you have 15 top 250 players v. 1 for Michigan State, that's not less talent.
You lost all credibility when you said that Florida was a better offense with far less talent. They are a worse offense with far more talent.
Listen, I agree that Roushar has not been a good OC. I'm only saying that this offense is untalented as well. We need more talent even if it's not highly ranked. Our offensive problems are 3 fold this year...lack of talent, a scheme that doesn't fit it's talent, and bad luck. Add those together and you get 5-6.
Also why is Sims better than both of those TE's I mentioned by a mile? Because you say so? Jordan Reed runs a 4.6 and might be a top 20 pick. Most drafts have him selected as the 1st or 2nd TE drafted.
Both of your advanced statistics bring into account play calling. Take out play calling and your advanced statistics change. You are a horrible debator. Should have taken a debate class in high school.
Talent is clearly an issue, I can't see how anyone can't see that. Furthermore, the play calling criticism is way overblown. Look, Roushar is at fault, but more for what he's failed to do last summer and during the week than what he does on Saturdays. Play calling isn't like chess where everyone has equal pieces, you only have o big a playbook. This offense failed this summer and fails during the week when they are practicing. Failed execution and mis-plays plague this team. The play calling can improve, but look around cfb, most teams run a similar amount of formations and plays. Nebraska runs the same 8 plays out of similar formations, they just do it better. Same with OSU. In college ball it's less about x and o on Saturdays and more about getting the right players practicing the right way during the week.
OE attempts to measure EVERY offensive thing a team can do. That's the difference between OE and total yards or scoring. Are you dense? Our offensive play calling hasn't been good, but our offensive players are fucking horrible. Our best offensive player is probably a 3rd round draft pick. That's ALWAYS going to lead to a bad offense.
Pretend there isn't a talent issue? Ok, pretend the OL doesn't matter and that State's is fine. Ever played a down of ball? Then you know it starts on the line, and State has been beat up front all year.
Playcalling and not fundamentals? Not sure I agree, but the fundamentals are on the coaches too.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
First off Bell is a good running back but you are totally overblowing how great he is. He's merely good, not a great back. He's not fast, not elusive, and simply does what he needs to do to get yards. Let's not forget that he plays the single most unimportant position on the field (RB). And Sims is not as talented as a college TE as you will find. If he were he'd have more than 679 yards career receiving. He's a great talent, not a great player. A great player wouldn't have dropped two passes that could have helped us win that game on saturday.
What round was our best offensive player taken last year?
I think you have tunnel vision. The coaches have had a bad year, but that's only one factor.
(1) The coaches have made mistakes. We've used our timeouts poorly, been confused and slow at times, and there have been moments where the playcalling was questionable. You and I agree on this.
(2) The players have done a miserable job executing at times. That Maxwell pass last week when we were driving where he completely forgot to read the safety is an example. The fumbled snap, the missed field goals, the numerous, numerous missed assignments by the offensive line . . . the list goes on and on. It's not as if the players don't know how to snap a ball or kick a field goal or pick up a blitz. These are not "coaching mistakes." This is a lack of execution.
(3) We've been the victim of some terrible misfortune, too. Those two game-changing calls in the Nebraska game were brutal. And Bell got into the endzone before we got stuffed on fourth and one. I'm not blaming the officials for the loss, because I believe you have to be tough enough to overcome bad calls, but you can't deny that we've had some bad breaks.
This 5-6 shitstorm has required pretty much everything to go wrong. To put it all on the coaches (and one coach in particular) is ignorant.
Not sure about all this either. Bell isn't going to be "elusive" at 6'2 244 anymore than Eddie George was elusive. He's a power back, and a darn good one.
Sims has been injured for chunks of his career. When he's on the field and healthy, I'd say he's as good a TE as there is in CFB. Could work on blocking more though.
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