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Yea . . . . no.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
so you believe that by keeping Roushar as the OC and Maxwell at QB, the results will be significantly better next season?... please elaborate as to why since we know very little and you know it all.
if you think the performance from Roushar/Maxwell has been "fine" or "good" this season then you don't know shit. ranked in the 100's in both scoring offense and QB efficiency is not fine or good, it's absolutely terrible. Blame the OL and WRs all you want but there are PLENTY of teams and QBs that have more efficient offenses with way worse OL/WRs.
I'm not an immature dimwit who has to run around blaming people at every turn
don't worry, you may grow out of it some day
We've got depth. We've got numbers.
Coach D came in and fielded a football team we can be proud of. This season fricking blows, but after two 11 win seasons he has earned the right to have a season that didn't live up to expectations. This team has been in a position to win every game except for ND this year. I remember the JLS years very well and this team despite all the discombobulation on offense, this team is 12 completions and 3 missed field goals from being very very good. Fire Roushar and pony up some money to bring in someone else including Treadwell. Problem solved.
This post was edited by Izzo Court 20 months ago
What is this? I don't even...
If you believe a single word of this you know nothing about Mark Dantonio.
well u managed to completely dismiss my ?, good talk.
if MD doesnt hold someone accountable for this awful season then it says a lot about him. I like MD and want him to stay (suggesting hes on the hot seat or should be fired is ridic at this point) but he needs to make some changes in the offseason regarding our O. This is a multi-millionaire dollar business, when there's this much ineptitude in one phase of the game, someone has to be held accountable, period.
Such as . . . .
I'll bring the torches
you get the pitch forks
109 teams in front of us, plenty to choose from...
I've never wanted to downvote something more... you're not trolling, you actually believe the dude is mailing it in.
Still waiting to hear why we dont know anything.
Didn't Coach D learn his lesson frm the Nebraska game about calling later timeouts???
Which means you can't pick out any specific examples yourself. Nice strawman.
So choose 1 then. That's all he's asking for.
That is because our offense can not take advantage of scoring opportunities that our defense hands to it. We give our offense a short field the offense gets stuffed and they.miss a FG. With our team NOTHING works. Any decision Dantonio makes is bound to be sabatoged by poor execution a stupid penalty or a turnover on the goal line. You guys have watched the games. Our offense is a mess and the coaches probably are more frustrated about it than we are. I blame the players much more than the coaches. They have talent and give effort but they just don't produce wins on the field.
You can't be serious.
Do you think it's acceptable for the following teams to have a higher PPG and QB efficiency: Eastern Michigan, Florida Atlantic, Colorado State, Buffalo, Army, Florida International?... I mean I can keep going... the WR/OLs for these teams are much worse than anything we have at MSU, don't even try and argue otherwise.
Iowa and Auburn are both "name" programs having terrible years and have better #s than us. Do you think both schools are keeping the same staff?
I am shocked at the length people go to defend this coaching staff and players. It's okay to be critical when the team is having an awful year. 5-6 (2-5) while going 0-4 at home is awful (esp. in a down B1G).
If Roushar was was let go, who would hire him? Would Maxwell be the starting QB on any other B1G team not named 2-7 Illinois or Wisc (who is on their 3rd QB this year)?... It's his 4th year in the system and he's no better today than he was before the season started. It's alarming.
Our offense sucks. Nobody can argue otherwise. Blaming it all on one person is what I don't get. I don't understand how people can avoid giving Maxwell/Roushar any of the blame. I also don't understand the people who want to throw one or both of them under the bus and give the receivers and O-line a pass. It's a lot more complicated than that, and anyone who thinks otherwise is looking at the situation way too simply.
Maxwell has been bad, sometimes really bad, at various stages this season. He's also been very good sometimes. Unfortunately, when he has played well it's often been overshadowed or wasted by an offensive line that can't stay healthy, receivers that can't catch or an offensive coordinator struggling to make things work.
Long story short, it's on Dantonio. It's on Maxwell. It's on Roushar, the receivers, etc. I agree that Dantonio needs to own up to it more than anyone, though. He's the one getting paid all sorts of money to lead a football program that has looked lost way too often this season. But it's impossible to place the blame all on one person.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Denim Chicken 20 months ago
You can't argue our numbers are worse than them and our players are better without putting it in context. It's not really important how good EMU's line is v. MSU's line. What is important is look at the skill difference of guys starting on MSU's line v. who they are playing's DL and the skill difference of the guys starting on EMU's line v. who they are playing's DL.
Comparing stats and not factoring in opponents is stupid. Of course FAU has a worse offensive line than MSU and if they played our schedule their stats would be dead fucking last in the country. Stop being stupid.
the B1G is awful this season, we're not out there playing the 85 bears.
if you think it's okay to be ranked in the 100's in scoring O and QB efficiency then fine. if you want to compare us to our own conference then we're 11th in both scoring O and QB efficiency. if you think that's acceptable and both Roushar and Maxwell are doing a good job, then that's your opinion.
the OL and WRs have hurt us at times. BUT SO HAS ROUSHAR AND MAXWELL. they both know (or should know) our limitations so why not design the O to play to it's strength given the limitations? why not have more 3-5 step drops? why not more high % throws? etc. etc. etc...
Read my previous posts, I agree with you on a lot of points. I simply am of the opinion that in most of the games this year that it would not have mattered what Maxwell did nor how the play was called. When you have FB's that pretty much tackle your RB on a goal line playor have an OL that lets 2 guys come in untouched on a play it really doesn't matter what the play call was or who the QB was. Execution was the problem. Maxwell made two perfect throws on the final drive and both were dropped. How can that be blamed on the QB or the OC?
I believe that we should fire Roushar because he's unwilling to adjust to our crappy hurt OL and run a spread that seems to work most of the time we run it. I think a good OC doesn't run a system, but adjusts his system to whatever style fits his personnel.
Well, if MSU played all their games against the MAC, WAC, or Sun Belt, then no, it would not be acceptable.
I'm not saying that everything is all hunky dory, but you're going off the deep end with this.
Iowa has "better" numbers in passing efficiency by .23; 110.78 vs. 110.55. They also score about .75 points/game more than MSU, while throwing for fewer yards and rushing for less. Both Iowa and Auburn have worst total O's than MSU, and their scoring O's are withing a point. Come on.
How have those teams' OL been on the injury front?
My biggest problem is that people have this all or nothing attitude. It HAS to be JUST the coaches, or it HAS to be JUST the players.
It's both, along with injuries, before and during the season. Maxwell, Lippett and Fowler missing most of the spring. Treadwell going down after a week of fall practice. Fonoti going down right before ND and Jackson soon thereafter. France getting dinged up, forcing a RS FR OG to play LT for a game and a half.
Being down to the 4th and 5th string safeties at crucial moments vs. Nebraska.
Losing Dion Sims for several weeks just as Burbridge and the receivers were taking a step forward.
And on top of it all, no, the playcalling hasn't been great. I also blame the coaches for not getting Mumphery, Maxwell and Lippett more PT in 2011, especially during the blowouts of Iowa and Indiana.
Put it together in a giant pot and you have the horrifically inefficient offense we've seen this season. I've seen flashes of improvements, but not enough.
Yep, that's the gist of my post above.
Oh, you can tack on "failure to find a viable 2nd RB" to the list of things that's on the coaches. Really needed a speedy option to help out Bell. Looks like they're coming a year late in Tompkins/Shelton.
I really don't get why they haven't let Hill ever have a chance in a game. The few times he's got carries he's looked pretty decent. He's not real speedy but he's WAY quicker than Le'Veon.
I've sadly never been all that impressed with Hill, but wtf happened to Larry Caper? He's not necessarily a burner either, but at least we could run the ball without having to give Bell 40 touches. Yesterday, it felt like we abandoned the run even when it was working because we couldn't just keep handing it to Bell without killing him.
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