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It is up to Dantonio and this season also shows what some changes in players (graduation/injuries/transfers/recruits) do.
As a recent example, when Nick Saban was at MSU he was a tough SOB like he was at L$U and now at 'Bama. When he left almost all of his coaches stayed and the next year the MSU team didn't look as good, didn't play as well, played with a diferent attitude.
I am beginning to believe the new staff and changes have taken an edge off coaching. Teadwell is gone, Enos is gone and we have new faces and voices. It really doesn't matter who is the center, there is no reason to have two bad exchanges inside the 3. No reason the team not to know they needed a spike to stop the clock against Iowa.
Might be too simplistic but this season after 5-6 and losing all the Big Ten home games it appears a lot of coaches trusted players, a lot of players knew the coaches would give them multiple opportunities after in-game errors and a disconnect on what it takes to on a team that can win 10+ games. It isn't automatic.
I suppose we can disagree then.
I like the WR corps. Many are inexperienced, but I think there's solid talent there.
And all this talk about the OL. France, Treadwell, Allen, McDonald, and Burkland lined up against NW. These guys aren't exactly chopped liver - they average around 6'-5" and are 300+ lbs. A good mix of experience and young talent. Maybe they aren't All-B1G, but I think they're good enough to get the job done.
The reason MSU is 0-4 at home in-conference games is poor coaching. Not the WR's. Not the OL.
Dude, you are such a boner.
Are you just refusing to watch the drops and missed blocks by the OL? Both the receiving corps and OL group have been integral in the offensive woes.
I like the WR corps as well but they are significant step down from 2011 and this has hurt the team this season. The biggest issue is lack of separation. Put Cunningham, Martin and Nichol out there and we win 2-3 more games. The OL may be big but they are not very good yet. It definitely hurts that we lost Fonoti and the center (sorry, I forgot his name).
Center was Travis Jackson. Another big loss on the OL.
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The drops haven't been nearly as big of a problem recently. The offensive line I agree, is horrible.
They just seem to crop up at the worst time (like Sims on 4th and 10). There were at least 3 on Saturday.
The OL has been maddeningly inconsistent. Awesome job against Nebraska (5.5 YPC, 238 yards rushing, 3 TFL allowed, 0 sacks), then crapped the bed vs. Northwestern (7 TFL allowed, 3 sacks, 4.2 YPC for Bell, a full 1 YPC worse than Nebraska).
Maxwell has not looked good since that final drive against Wisconsin though and he was sailing passes high on Saturday. I think the pressure's gotten to his head and it looks like he doesn't trust his receivers, or refuses to check down.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
His mid-level and deep balls are outstanding.
His checkdown is pretty much awful. He hardly ever does it, and when he does, he bullets it as hard as he possibly can.
Again though, if coaches won't work with him on that, its on them. You can't teach a big arm (which he has) you should be able to work on better decisions.
Why Roushar has completely abandoned the bubble screen this year is maddening.
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And who would you replace France with this year? With Conroy and Dennis out, along with Fonoti, there are only 2 OTs left on the roster; France and Burkland.
Can't you see that the OL injuries have hurt severely? Could have moved Fonoti or Burkland to LT if Fonoti was 100%.
Lippet had an awful start to the year. He and Mumphery have been largely solid lately, though.
I can't believe there even is a post criticizing Dantonio. The fact is we lost some good players and being MSU we don't reload. Two eleven win seasons plus four straight against UM is as good as I have ever seen in my life. Fire Dantonio, then who? We have to be realistic here. The MSU job is not a top job. We have a coach who bleeds the colors and doesn't appear to be leaving for somewhere else the way Saban did. We all need to face the facts. Recruiting top 35 won't dominate the big ten no matter who the coach is. We coach up the best we can and are lucky to get an 11 win season here and there. Compared to the last three fools who had the job I think we are lucky. Thanks to Dantonio we are relevant. The fact that we are bad has more to do with the players we lost than the coaching. We just lost the best MSU qb of all time. That's what happened.
You have an adequate number of bodies on the OL before the injuries. Can't just load up on Jucos in anticipation of injuries. Jucos are for immediate needs like getting Fonoti and even Fou was planning on RS this season. Jucos is a bad long term strategy. The number of OL injuries has just been off the chart this season. If Jackson and Fou stay healthy MSU wins at least 2 more games and maybe all except ND.
Lippett will be fine...
Nice post newbie. Agree almost completely.
Ever since it took Dantonio like 7 games to see that Cousins was better than Nichol, I've had doubts about him. I just wonder how many years it will take him to learn what the rest of us already know about Roushar.
Yea, totally, because in Feb. 2012, MSU had 5 able-bodied OTs and had 2 more as true FR. Obviously needed a JUCO then.
So when 3 of those 5 go down, you're supposed to have anticipated that before hand?
It's not an excuse, but an explanation. They're two different things. Then again, given that you can't discern between "there" "their" and "they're", I'm not shocked that this conversation is lost on you.
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They've failed in a lot of ways this year, but I just cannot believe how completely unprepared the team was this year. This disaster of a season reeks of overconfidence. The fact that roushar wouldn't put in anything new after having two weeks to prepare is staggering. Because it's been working so well thus far? Our special teams have been a joke all year. We act like it's surprising that we were going to have talent and leadership issues after last year's departures.
Every little bit of this is on Dantonio. I don't want him fired, he's been great for MSU football prior to this year. But I sure as hell want roushar fired and replaced with a competent OC from outside the program. If roushar comes back next year, we're more serious about being cheap and maintaining friendships than we are about winning.
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I'm with you on the unprepared part; how many TOs have been burned because of not enough/too many men on the field? That yakkity saks play at the end of Iowa, etc. . . . team just doesn't seem to have their heads in the game.
"Outstanding" was maybe a poor choice, but I really like his arm and I think he puts his deep throws where they need to be. The mid-range to longer throws are not a huge problem for him.
Where he really struggles is the shorter throws. Screens, slants, comebacks, dumpoffs to the running back. He has no touch at all on those throws and it has led to disaster a few times this season.
He'll be ok, I really think (hopefully) two more games for him would be huge. He will bounce back next year and have a solid season. The kid aint Cousins, but its not all on him either.
And just when I thought the Keystone Kops play couldn't be out-done, there was the infamous Wisconsin series where the MSU defense gets a turnover and now has fantastic feild position on the Wisconsin 11 yard line. The MSU offense goes into reverse with a series of penalties, incomplete passes, and a sack. Forced to punt.
Recall this was in a game where every stinkin point really, really, REALLY mattered.
So much of this season has been nightmarish in the sense of seeing the same thing over and over again. Squandering great field position and entire first halves is a big part of that. Why can't we do anything to adjust? It's because roushar has nothing new to offer.
We've had our OL issues, for sure, but the OL looked like garbage against Boise, when everyone was healthy. Why does it take half the season to figure out that Burbridge is our best WR? Why does it take us ten games to figure out that Sims is a weapon that we can exploit? Why do we keep having these special teams mistakes? It all comes back to the coaches not doing their jobs in the offseason.
Wasting your time...dude doesn't live in the reality of the situation. Stack up Jucos...yea that's the solution.
Burbridge at least I understand; he missed the last 2.5 weeks of fall camp and wasn't able to do any of the summer conditioning because of the academic issues. Can't expect a guy to jump right in at 100% on day one.
Sims was highly utilized through the first 5 games; averaging around 60 YPG and was the nation's #2 TE in terms of receptions and yards. Then he suffered a high ankle sprain against IU. He wasn't healthy against IU, Iowa, UM, Wisconsin or Nebraska.
Special teams . . . good lord I'm with you 110%. There's no excuse for the poor return games and coverage units. An Conroy? Seriously?
Only plus on Special Teams has been Sadler. Even that's been negated by their inability to cover punts.
You can win a lot of games with great D and special teams. MSU is 1/3 of a team right now. You end up 5-6 when you're one-dimensional in a three-dimensional game.
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