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If Knight didn't want something bad to happen, maybe he shouldn't have physically assaulted and choked players.
EDIT: Did watch the video.
This is NOT THE TOP TOURNAMENT COACHES. OP might want to update the title. This is just TOP COACHES of all time in honor of 75 years of March Madness.
75 years of March Madness: Top 10 coaches of all time
By Adena Andrews | CBS Sports
February 9, 2013 1:53 pm ET
Coach -- it's a noun, verb and title that means so much. It doesn't just mean holding down the sidelines for two halves. A coach is a person who can guide people, not just players, through the X's and O's of life's trap plays. Someone who leaves words of inspiration so that when he's not around, he's still around.
While winning is important when it comes to ranking coaches, it isn't the only thing. As we celebrate 75 years of March Madness, here's a list of our top 10 coaches of all time.
This post was edited by reg_hartner 14 months ago
The title was Top 10 Tournent Coaches and was said top tourney coaches through the program. So before you get your panties in a bunch, watch the replay on CBS sports Network.
This post was edited by tJYD 14 months ago
12177 Post before moving here. 10/29/11 will live forever in our hearts (plus 50 votes in the last 3 hours)
Coincidentally, MLive had an article up about this very subject the other day. I won't rehash the entire article but suffice it to say, Izzo not making the top 10 is a sham. Let's just take Boeheim because he slipped in at #10. The article introduces a stat called PASE (Performance Against Seed Expectations) which is similar to baseball's WAR metric. The website from the article (bracketscience.com) only calculated the results of the tournament in the 64-team era, so I wasn't able to determine Boeheim's stats throughout his entire tenure (which started in 1976). With that in mind, let's compare from when Izzo first made the tournament in 1998.
Boeheim's numbers (since 1997-98 season):
Average Seeding: 3.92
Average Wins: 1.75
Average PASE: +0.030
Izzo's numbers (since 1997-98 season):
Average Seeding: 4.93
Average Wins: 2.47
Average PASE: +0.761
Izzo's numbers are incredibly superior, but particularly his mind-boggling PASE. From the article, "No coach with 10 or more trips has beaten expectations with greater regularity than Izzo's 66.7 percent."
Now, if we go all the way back to 1985, Syracuse's numbers do improve slightly, especially when you consider their run to the Championship game in 1987. Here's their adjusted numbers:
Average Seeding: 3.83
Average Wins: 1.87
Average PASE: +0.113
Boeheim's PASE is still CONSIDERABLY lower than Izzo's.
Since I don't feel like researching any further, in the years the website doesn't account for (1977-1984), Syracuse made the tournament 6 times and went 3-5 (they didn't have seeds in the tournament until 1978, so we can't measure his PASE with 1977 included). So overall, Boeheim has a Tournament record of 46-27 (.630). Izzo has a Tournament record of 37-14 (.725). Unquestionably, Izzo has had much more success in the tournament than Boeheim.
Edit: Just read the post that said they were counting down the best coaches off all-time, not the top Tournament coaches. So glad I typed all that up . Besides all that though, I'd still take Izzo over Boeheim any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
Everyone knows that Michigan State's Tom Izzo is Mr. March. What they may not know is just how far outside the norm his post-season success is, statistically speaking.
This post was edited by Lycurgus21 14 months ago
Oh. Didn't watch it. if that's the case. Boehiem in the top 10 gives this list ZERO credibility.
So again, what about Jucker and Crum? PASE is a good tool, but not a great tool when it comes to all time since like you said seeding was introduced in 78(current seeding format since 79.)
I wouldn't say the entire list isn't credible, I would have put Denny Crum in over him. Everyone else is valid.
I hadn't read the post that said they ranked the Top 10 coaches off all-time, rather than the top 10 tourney coaches. But if we're talking strictly tournament success, Izzo has to be near the top. I suppose the markers of success would be weighted somewhat differently without the luxury of seeding. You'd probably measure more traditional markers like Final Fours, National Runner-ups, National Championships, overall tournament record, tournament record average, perceived upsets, etc. In which case, we'll have to wait until Izzo's run is entirely over to truly rank him against coaches that have 20 more seasons under their belt (like Boeheim). In Jucker's case, he's got 2 NCs, which puts him in elite company, but he didn't have the sustained tournament success that Izzo has had (in part due to not having been a college coach very long). And while Crum also has 2 NC's, Izzo is tied with him in FF's and has a higher Tournament record percentage (.725 to Crum's .651). Crum has 6 more tournament wins than Izzo, but in 7 more tournament appearances and 12 years longer as a coach. The fact of the matter is, if I had to list the coaches to get me through the Tournament, Izzo is easily in the top 5.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by Lycurgus21 14 months ago
I don't mind Izzo being off the list.
I do mind Boeheim making it. I could name 5 coaches that should be on ahead of him.
Take off the green glasses. I even said if Izzo made the list, he would be no higher then 9th. No way he would eclipse Wooden, K, Dean, Bobby or Rupp at this stage of his career.
People . . . seriously. aren't we beyond needing some network/columnist/journalists validation for our coach and program?
Fair enough. I guess I was meaning to convey that if Izzo keeps up this crazy pace for the rest of his career, he'd be in the top 5, which I don't think is big stretch. You can't argue with how much he "overachieves". The only coach with a higher PASE is Brad Stevens (only 4 tournament appearances though, with 2 NC runner-ups). It would be kind of interesting to see where those other coaches were at the same point in their coaching careers as Izzo.
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