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Yet Izzo says we had numbers. And Comp's analysis of the play is completely different than Rexrode's:
Jim Comparoni @JimComparoni
My take: When Payne came out of the crowd with the rebound, he dribbled once or twice into traffic. The traffic converged. ...
Payne made an excellent guard play to pass the ball to Valentine at the time line running the left lane.
Valentine probably would have had a lightly-contested lay-up with a couple of seconds left in the game.
Ok, so at the very least multiple people saw the situation differently, agreed? And that's with the benefit of rewatching the play over and over again after the fact. Izzo was watching from the sidelines in real time and from his vantage point he saw his 6'10 center was dribbling up near his chin at half court surrounded by defenders. I don't get how calling a TO in that situation is "over coaching." It was a real-time snap decision than at least 90% of coaches would have made. And if Valentine had charged over someone, threw the ball away or otherwise f-ed it up, everyone would have been outraged that Izzo ended the game with an unused timeout.
Your hindsight may be 20/20, but nothing Izzo did in that situation was "over-coaching."
This post was edited by Fletch 13 months ago
That about sums it up. +1
To achieve great things, two things are needed; a plan, and not quite enough time. -- Leonard Bernstein
Izzo: "As I watched the film I saw where we might have had numbers, but when I watched Payne with 3 Michigan guys around him I didn't want to lose the ball."
I think you are the only person who reads that to mean MSU definitely had numbers and he regrets the timeout. I read that as "I see what you're saying, but I called the timeout because..." which would be the exact point you've been arguing against for the entire thread.
The bottom line is Gottlieb talked about over-coaching at halftime, and it put everyone on red overcoaching alert and now we're talking about it as it relates to this terrible non-example.
This post was edited by Dolph Ziggler 13 months ago
Not to mention, it's obvious to anyone that has watched Izzo for any length of time that his comments after the fact were more about deflecting blame away from his team than anything.
He spends the first half of every season tearing his guys down and telling them they're not as good as everyone thinks, and the second half protecting them and taking the blame for anything that goes wrong so as to protect their confidence going into the tournament.
The last thing he was doing was somehow admitting that he over coaches. In fact, I know he rightly said that his track record in drawing up plays out of time outs is pretty good overall, which any Spartan should be aware of.
Bottom line - any time Tom Izzo has a chance to COACH, you're more often than not going to come out on top.
No, that's not what Izzo said. He maid they may have had numbers. You're reading what you want to read.
Anyone. Anyplace. Anytime.
Can we close this thread to dodge further embarassment?
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