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Rocky and I are in lockstep regarding lines. Give me a veteran group with less potential talent over a young group with plenty of stars any day. For lineman, stars are based on potential. Things like can they move their feet and whether or not they have the frame that can handle adding additional size and stength without conpromising their mobility. Just because a lineman has a ton of stars doesn't mean he's going to step on the field as a freshman with a body ready to play championship football. A less talented senior may be the better choice simply due to differences in strength and experience.
That's why we won a big Ten title with a line consisting of three senior converted 2 star defensive linemen at our center and both tackle spots in 2010. Plus we had another 2 star junior ar guard. They didnt have the talent to be great, but 4 and 5 years with a college S&C program helped build them into a aolid group of players.
Contrast that with this year where we've started one 5th year senior (Mcdonald) a 4th year senior (Fonoti), two 4th year juniors (France and Treadwell), three 3rd year sophomores (Burkland, Jackson, and Dennis), and two redshirt freshmen (Allen and Clark) The difference in the playing group experience between the two years is striking.
The good news is that this group that is finally going to be a veteran group next year is more talented than that 2010 group. Talent plus experience should give us a group that should surpass that 2010 unit given that we find a solution in the backfield and stay healthy.
Congrats to Allen for a nice honor. Looking like the O line will be a asset next year. Also, look out for Jack Conklin too.
After playing one of the best games of his three-year Michigan State career in a 17-16 Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl win over TCU, defensive end Will Gholston found offensive line coach Mark Staten in the locker room.
And in reference to your last sentence, I'm much more worried about finding a solution at quarterback than I am about finding a solution in the backfield.
so the guy is named to the freshman all-american list and you guys want him replaced as a starter? tough crowd.
I see Michigan State as a destination, not a stop.~Mark Dantonio
i know this comment was in jest, but i've been saying this since he was a sophomore in high school. the recruiting services can't/don't give out stars for what's "under the hood" :
its called HEART. 5 star.
he was a 3 star, 89 because of ONE reason: height.; but thats ok.
wingfan jim has it right when he talks about 4th and 5th year O-lineman. selfishly, i, of course, hope jacko starts next year, specifically @ center. i think his wrestling backround, three-time state finalist, and heavyweight champ in illinois, gives him all kinds of leverage, footwork, and hand-fighting advantages.
but like i've said in other threads, all that will be decided by folks (dantonio, roushar, and staten) with a HELLUVA LOT MORE football knowledge than myself.
the good thing is, knock on wood, stay healthy and the O-line HAS GOT TO BE A STRENGTH NEXT YEAR; and that bodes well for spartan nation.
Height really doesn't mean much at C at the major college level. Jack's listed at 6'1. As much as we all hate UM, David Molk was 6'1 and won the Rimington Award. What matters is his ability to get low, use leverage and ID assignments. Center should be the smartest guy on the line.
Very impressed with how Jack Allen handled C duties as compared to OG; you can tell C is his natural position. His wresting background is huge; that type of athleticism and use of hands is ideal for C.
I really think you see Allen at C next season with Jackson moving to OG.
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Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
3-4 is my #1 pet peeve. It's even in my signature.
USF could give MSU a clue on the lines . . . remember Aaron Lynch? He's went to USF.
ND is the first test with great talent and it's a road game. Last 2 years MSU has been outclassed by the Irish, though in '11 I felt it was more an issue of a KR TD allowed and poor play calling in the first half.
Biggest thing for me is keeping the OL healthy. If that happens, they stand a real chance of being "good". If not, all bets are off of the second straight year, though the back-ups (Clark/Burkland/Allen (or Jackson, depending on how the C battle shapes up)) will have seen more time. Still, this isn't a unit that can handle 2+ injuries, but then again, nor can any college OL.
Freshman all American offensive lineman is a bit of a misnomer. So few freshman OL see the field for all the previously mentioned reasons that the competition for the AA spot isn't that intense. It doesn't really mean they are anywhere close to being an ACTUAL AA yet.
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