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So because he got one player wrong he doesn't know anything about football then right? The NFL Draft is one of the biggest crapshoots in the world.
Javon Ringer is also on injured-reserve.
This post was edited by Punisher99 16 months ago
Just curious if you either follow the NFL or know the meaning of the word frequency?
In the 2011 NFL draft, of the 33 players drafted in the 3rd round, none were cut.
In the 2011 NFL draft, of the 33 players drafted in the 4th round, none were cut.
Of those 66 players, 3 were released after their first year and all 3 resigned with another team for this season.
Players taken in the 3rd or 4th round rarely get cut in training camp.
Good info. I think Bell and company should just come to us for advice on this matter. We'll be sure to weed out the morans for them.
Personally I have no idea how you can be a 1st or 2nd round projection as a player when you have never been healthy for even most of a season in CFB. This is the type of red flag that I would imagine would drop Sims an extra few rounds in the draft beyond Mel's projection. That being said if he drops a few lbs 260-265 and stays healthy next year we could have all three guys go in the first two rounds next year.
NFL, like NBA, drafts for potential. Sims has more potential than Bell.
Absolutely. The offensive staff hasn't shown the ability to plan for the future; they didn't work in Mumphery and Maxwell in much in '11, despite knowing that the QB and top 4 pass catchers were going to be gone. This year, there's been no #2 RB developed.
Part of the problem is how recruiting shook out; MSU was supposed to have Onaje Miller and Mi'kail McCall ready to go, but neither worked out. So now you're down to Hill, Langford, Tompkins and true FR.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
Yea, I think Sims is a potential 1st round talent if he can make it through the whole year healthy. Dropping 10 pounds wouldn't hurt either. I think he could do a lot for himself by coming back; same with Gholston.
Bell should go.
A lot of you are completely idiotic.
Bell should absolutely go pro. He has nothing to gain from staying an extra year. In fact, he will lose by coming back and subjecting his body to another 400+ collisions.
Bell will be pushing to be the first runningback off the board this year. A team with a need, who falls in love with him, could potentially reach for him in the late first round.
Players come back for their Senior years when they have shown a lack of production ie Big Will, and should be Sims too. These players haven't lived up to their athletic abilities.
I don't think anyone can argue that Bell, by staying another year, will all of a sudden going to develop 4.3 speed and Darren Sproles type of agility. That's just not the type of back he is and he doesn't need to be. He has proven to be at the upper echeleon of productivity when given his opportunity. If he comes back next year, the odds of him having a season like this one get slimmer and even worse he subjects himself to another 400+ touches and not making a single dime.
NFL teams have switched from every down backs to more niche backs. There are very few backs that have all the tools. Think Ray Rice, AD, Arian Foster. The rest of the 29 NFL teams have backs that are in a niche role. Anyone that says, "well Bell he doesn't have NFL speed" well who gives a fuck. He doesn't have to have it. Teams don't expect him to have it. Bell can be that 1st and 2nd down back who can move the chains and pick up first downs. He has solid enough hands to receive out of the backfield and plenty of enough shake to rush him inside. A one cut zone blocking scheme will make this kid great.
Those that argue Bell should come back, tell me what does Bell has to prove that will make him into a GUARANTEED 1st round pick next year?
You guys act like the dude will be on food stamps if he gets drafted anywhere but the 1st.
Also agree about the player development on O- makes no sense. Especially when you look out at the D, in even the 4th quarters of close games, and you see 2 second-string LB and the 3rd DTs in the rotation. The only position not played with on D was cornerback, which was completely understandable giving the heavy responsibility those guys shoulder.
On O, the only time you saw different guys was when injury necessitated it, and the hand was forced. I feel bad for Nick Hill- no RB gets it going on 2-3 carries in the middle of a ball game. And btw, in a bunch of games at the end of the year, when the line started opening some real holes after actually playing & practicing together for multiple weeks, there were some big runs that Hill would have housed. Dude wasn't given a fair shake, nor was Langford.
Yea, MSU played 4 safeties regularly (Lewis, Drummond, Jones, Williamson) when they were healthy. On O, it seems like they're afraid to move past the starters . . . but maybe the guys behind just aren't that good (thinking RB and WR; you don't rotate OL generally).
I could definitely see all 3 guys going, but Sims and Gholston could definitely improve their stock. I can't blame them if they go, especially since Gholston has a kid.
I'd love to see Bell go out with a bang; 28 carries, 158 yards, 3 TDs in the bowl. Sucks that MSU will have to replace that production next year, but RB is arguably the easiest place to have guys work in at.
Hope they all stay. Bell isn't even 21 years old yet. He might be a helluva back, but he's got plenty to learn and never even had a RS year.
Not gonna begrudge the guy if he leaves but he's so, so young. I'm a Spartan and I want a Rose Bowl -- clearly with our passing game issues a talent like Bell gives us the best chance to salvage an offense.
"Tonight, we show the world what this program is made of!" -- Brian Ellerbe on Mar 4, 2000, the night of scUM's 51-point loss to MSU.
Most players who are good enough to think about leaving after their junior year did not have a redshirt year.
That's good information, and I agree on Gholston and Bell. I think Gholston could put himself well into the first round with a big year next year - he has all of the measurables for his position. If Kiper's fairly accurate on Gholston's draft stock, the smart move would be to stay. It's probably in Bell's interest to go, but I'd be happy if he chose to stay.
I hate the word potential it means HASN'T HAPPENED YET.
Exactly. But if teams are confident in their coaching staff, they will draft based on potential to hopefully get a high-end player for a lower pick (aka Gholston in the 3rd or so).
You can't learn speed. He can learn better pass blocking in the NFL. Other than that, he's ready and should go. He stands to gain absolutely nothing personally, from a football perspective, from coming back. He can get his education, and possibly accomplish some team/program goals, but his draft stock isn't going to be much better than it is right now. Combine that with a weak RB class in general this year, and he'd be making a really bad decision to come back
The interesting thing on O is that it took rotating a little bit at WR to get guys going. AB did as much in motivating as he did in production. At the same time, they wasted Kings. And on the few plays they threw to him, you could see had has that "burst." As for the TB, they really did Bell and the back-ups no favors with his workload.
Bell should go. The fact he got those numbers behind the lines he ran behind will further enhance his status when the scouts start digging deeper.
Sims & Gholston should stay from a developmental standpoint. But if finances dictate the need to go, then that's fine. Sucks, especially since we don't have a big guy up next at TE, but it's their lives.
Hate to say it, but if I am Bell, I go. RBs of his style only have so many carries. He has proven what he is capable of in spurts his first few years, and as the mail carrier behing a shoddy OL. His biggest "knock" is lack of speed. He will not get that staying for his senior season. Sure, he might shave a hundredth or thousandth of a second off over the summer. Bottom line, regardless of what he does on the field is senior year at MSU, it will not vault him to first round status. His stock cannot get much higher, but it sure can get much lower. One thing I would be a bit concerned with if I am him. As noted several times in this post, most NFL teams go to a back by committee, devaluing the need to draft a RB in the first couple rounds. So, if guys like Kuiper/McShay say things like rounds 2 or 3, at RB that may well mean 4-6. Still not worth the risk to stay. Don't blame him at all if he goes, I would too.
Gholston and Sims have alot to gain by coming back. Gholston could really do nothing but elevate his stock by coming back, same with Sims. They both are physical freaks, so that alone will get them drafted. Shouldn't be hard for either to have a better year than this year, which should bump them up fairly significantly.
The guy I worry about losing is Dennard. That would be a tough one.
Where is Mudjin's Leveon Bell addition by subtraction thread?
Weren't you unchained?
The fact is, Sims and Gholston would both improve their draft stock dramatically if they come back.
Although they are good enough to make a team...it's in their best interest to come back, become first rounders, and make A LOT more money in the long run.
For Bell, he could improve a little but not enough to justify anything other than remaining a Spartan for another year and getting his degree.
Bell has already shown he has everything to excel in the NFL except break-away speed.
He will not get that by coming back.
This post was edited by I Am That I Am 16 months ago
Monte Ball came back for his Senior year when everyone said he shouldn't.
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