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I don;t think it just be viewed as a jersey change, but as a change in image. I think we should try to take on what the 90's Miami teams were on the field without being what they were off of it. Guy's like Lewis, Bullough, and Gholston can be the start of that. They are gonna be mean. They are gonna hit you harder then anybody else does. They may even give you a shot when the ref isn't looking. While Oregon defines itself as an offensive powerhouse we could be Nikes defensive powerhouse. Instead of having Labs catching frisbees at half time lets have Pitbulls and Rottweilers teearing up the other teams mascot.
So uniforms and logo's make the team ?
Premise was to name a nationally relevant program that doesn't have bandwagon fans. You named a program (um) that has bandwagon fans but isn't nationally relevant.
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Have you seen Oregon's bb facilities? Bad ass, world class. Have you seen Oregon's BB team? Shit.
What has Oregon won lately?
MSU is on the rise, and has won before. We have a staff that does bring in big time players, and surrounds them with excellent scouting of over-looked talent, ala Cousins, Bell & Worthy. Our bottom 20 on the team are the best they've been since the 80s.
It is amazing how 1 down year, which used to mean 2-4 wins, but this year meant 7 and a bowl victory, has so quickly made everyone forget the 11-win seasons and the victory over SEC power UGA.
Back-to-back bowl wins. New bad-ass scoreboards. New recruiting center being added to upgraded stadium. This is clearly, clearly a program on the rise.
To be fair, Oregon's basketball team has been getting better and is a tournament team this year.
This is a Pallas’s cat. Their round pupils give them an odd human quality. They disturb me...deeply.
I wouldn't want to play on Oregon's ugly ass court either.
I agree with everything you said and it is the truth. Here is where people are coming from...I think. I think there is a fear, part low esteem regarding MSU athletics, that no matter how much we win (back to back 11 win seasons, final fours, big ten championship games) we will still be viewed as a regional athletic program competing for players out of Detroit and Ohio against larger national teams...and often losing. The idea is that picking up 'castoffs' from other programs is a difficult way to compete year in and year out. This fear has been brought to a head with the recent losses of Jabari Parker and Drake Harris and the rise of Urban Meyer and Notre Dame. It's a valid fear, but it also misses the long approach that MSU has been accomplishing. It is also an interesting approach at changing our image as an athletic program, but after the rejection of the Nike Spartan logo it may be difficult to convince the athletic department to make broad image changes.
This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by Black Dutch 13 months ago
It's all about wardrobe.
If MSU isn't going to be cutthroat in the recruiting and facilities war - It needs to be cutthroat in its operations. Put the best on the field, Coaches need to be held accountable. It's not Sports Friends; It's Sports Business.
With all due respect, I don't really see that.
You are saying we should be Oregon, without the requisite money to back up that vision.
I am saying we should focus on the actual, tangible history we have already built, and spread the word. No one knows our history, and thats not good. This is where we need to improve. Get our PR working so that this message of toughness, grit, and hard nosed football resonates. Not transform into Oregon lite with chrome jerseys.
Improve our facilities. Being done.
Recruit smartly, and build up years of success and depth. Being done.
Start to take some chance on bigger "named" players. Being done.
Program is being built for the long term, and it is being done the right way.
It depends on what we want out of our program. I don't think you can just say "we don't have to recruit great all the time, or have great facilities, or pay our coaches a great salary to be a great program that's contending for championships every year!" That sounds ridiculous. You think we can just be "pretty decent" at those three things and still compete with schools that are doing all of those better than us? Have fun with that mentality.
We either have to accept that we're a top-half B1G team that will occassionally get a title, or we change something and play to our advantages to increase our program's resume.
What I am suggesting plays to our programs advantages. History, toughness, strong will and attitude.
You guys who want to just change perception overnight, without changing anything, might be crazy.
Change the PR perception?
Recruit strong kids and demonstrate NFL success?
Being done. What else do you suggest we do in the short term that will change the positive long term prospects for the program?
Chrome jerseys? Spears on the shoulder pads? Neon green shoes? Thats the ticket!!!
Get a clue.
It's actually what um sorta tried to do with RichRod. Didn't work out to well.
The moment is eternal
7 kids in this past class were rated 4 star by at least 1 recruiting service.
We had a 3 year streak of signing #1 player in state.
The 2 commits we still have are both 4 stars. Including one from Cass Tech, where we have finally broken into.
Your post is ignorant and wrong.
Dont respond to that guy, or other trolls. They are stupid idiots who need to be BANNED, if anyone is listening
I believe it's attainable.
MSU has many of the pieces already. The staff has an eye for talent, and they develop these guys. They have an established game plan, and the program is well in-place. There's discipline.
But in 2012 it sorta fell apart. Roushar was in over his head. Maxwell in not a B1G calibre QB. The OL is snake-bit. The WR have promise, but are inexperienced. And MSU got some tough breaks, (the phantom penalty that cost the Nebraska game for example).
Still - many of the above issues can be traced to some mistakes. How did Roushar get his position? Why wasn't a suitable back-up available to replace Maxwell? How come these WR's are so inexperienced - was there no opportunity to play in 2011?
MSU cannot afford mistakes like these in the future.
The problem with those drooling/crying over recruiting rankings need to realize this. The staff at MSU isn't going to go into some high school kids home and tell him he is going to be a starter the first day he shows up on campus. To my knowledge, they inform the kids that they are going to have to work their asses off an have a very high possibility of redshirting their freshman year.
Fat ass Hoke down the road goes to these kids and promises them playing time from day one. When you are dealing with teenager with inflated egos, chances are they are going to go where they are told they will play day one.
Some kids want to work to be the best and some kids think they are the best. Glad MSU pulls the kids that want to work to be the best.
Soooooo The U?
That worked for them for a little while, but Florida is a much better recruiting ground than Michigan, it was build on recruiting local kids that other national programs wouldn't.
I guess I don't see how selling toughness, grit etc is incompatible with a more modern look and attitude. We don't have to adopt Oregon's style of play. Just their style of marketing.
Yes, recruiting smartly etc. etc. is a given. We've been trying to do that for years, with some success. The problem is nationally we don't have the cache of OSU, ND and UM, and we won't unless we establish a unique, new identity. Getting rid of the S and moving to Spartan logo was an excellent start. So was the 300 thing. Keep it going. Keep those shiny helmets. Come up with a bad ass war chant. Ring the stadium with mounted warrior spartan statues (not actual statues but something that is doable). I don't know, hand the whole thing over to Nike and tell them to go nuts.
This post was edited by Taygetus 13 months ago
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
I'm new-ish to Michigan. Do you know how many people I've met here that have graduated from neither U of M or MSU but are Michigan football fans and MSU basketball fans? A fuckton. Programs that win always have these types - MSU isn't without them.
Tanny, the fact that we have signed 2 4 star players to next year's class debunks your little rant.
Troll. You've been here to post all of 10 messages and all have been negative toward MSU, get a life. I suppose Michigan's 2 point win on 4 field goals, and their superior 8 and 5 record last season points toward future dominance? Not saying State is elite either, but I believe they're headed in the right direction. The last time they were .500, they followed it up with two 11 win seasons.
Didn't realize it was Tanfan. Nevermind, disregard...
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