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Or you can just buy them from the ticket office the day before the game
Exactly. Even if someone spent $150 on a Michigan ticket they could easily buy the other games for $20 each which would still cost less than a season ticket.
I agree. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't when it comes to scheduling too. You bring in patsies and nobody wants to buy tickets to see you pound FCS teams. On the other hand, you put together a killer schedule like we had this year, you run the risk of going 2-5 at home and killing the enthusiasm for the late season games and future years. Anyone who thinks Hollis has an easy job is crazy.
I really think the seat donation fee is going to come back to bite the athletic department in the ass. Yes I understand that we were one of the few big ten teams that didn't have one as of last year, but one of the reasons is that MSU football tickets just aren't in high demand like those other places. IMO, they should have waited for consistent sellouts of season tickets before they started asking for seat donations.
And now with the problem of the student section not showing up and prompting thoughts from Hollis on changes, there may be a reduction in the student section, thereby opening up even more available tickets to the public.
In the end though, I still think the seat donation will provide some stability as far as revenue. There won't be as many sellouts or perhaps as many season ticket holders, but the amount that the season ticket holders have to pay in mandatory seat donations will make up for the fact that other tickets are not sold. Essentially, the season ticket holders will be paying a premium due to their loyalty whereas in the past, they were getting a discount for it. It's just a matter of time before they catch on to that fact.
This post was edited by JMSparty08 17 months ago
"People don't care how much you know until they know how much you care." - Mark Dantonio.
The seat donation system has been in place for at least 5 years.
Come on Rocky....do you really want to get into a debate on why this is? You know better, brah.
Not on a stadium wide level like it was this past season. Prior to last year, it was just the Spartan Club, Suites, sideline club, and seats between the 20s. You never had to pay seat donations for upper deck or endzone or corners.
See the before and after below.
So they expanded it. And it reached further than the 20's at least to goal lines..
This sucks. Maryland and Rutgers are going to screw this up. We get to play all of the worst teams!
F you Maryland and Rutgers.
They expanded it significantly. Look at the pictures above. Upper deck, endzones, corners. There are only 4 sections now that don't require donations. Before it was 28 sections that were without fees. And the scholarship seating required donation went up $100 per section.
It went to the 10 yard line on the north side and the 5 yard line on the other under the old system. I had seats in section 26 last year and no seat donation required. I was on the about the 8 yard line.
Point being, it was a money grab this past year because they knew that tickets were going to be in high demand. Nothing wrong with that, good strategy to capitalize on it. But if they keep the levels the same, it's not going to work out long term.
This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by JMSparty08 17 months ago
Rootgers is 9-1 right now or do they still suck
If charging people $25-50 a seat for an entire season is a huge deterrent to buying a season ticket then our fan base isn't ready to play with the big programs.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by WBill19542 17 months ago
And......we're back to the comment I made in the post you quoted: "I understand that we were one of the few big ten teams that didn't have one as of last year, but one of the reasons is that MSU football tickets just aren't in high demand like those other places."
I would agree. As for fan base, we aren't at the level of the "big programs." Until the tickets are in high demand and we sell out consistently, we won't be at that level and these seat donations don't make any sense until then. Get my point now? There is no reason to purchase season tickets and pay $408 ticket price per seat to sit in the corner of the stadium presently. That's $58/seat. For the schedule this past season, yeah, that was probably a good purchase (provided they played to expectations). For the season next year...no way that's a wise financial decision.
And sure, you can pay the $25-$50 for the upper deck or endzone seats instead and save a few bucks, but any scalper outside the stadium will tell you the upper deck seats aren't worth very much. These were the tickets my friend couldn't even GIVE to a scalper for Nebraska. Once we told him they were upper deck, he didn't even want to take them for free. And they were 4th row upper deck on the 40 yard line. You'll be able to get those tickets next year outside the stadium for much less than $51/seat (308+50 donation) for just about every game except the Michigan game (including the ticket office since the "non-premium games" are only $50/seat face value).
See what I'm saying? You can purchase the non-premium games @ face value from the ticket office for $50. If you buy a season ticket in the same area (let's use the upper deck for comparison), it's $51. You're paying MORE because you're a season ticket holder in that instance. And substantially more if you factor in lower bowl seats where the donation is double or triple. For the 2012 season, it worked out because there were 5 "premium" games where the face value was $80. There isn't that amount of premium games next year or even the year after.
If you buy season tickets next year and pay the seat donation, it's because of loyalty and convenience of not scrambling for a ticket the week before the game, not because you're saving money by doing so. And it will be the first time in a long time that the majority of ticket holders are going to actually be paying MORE for that loyalty rather than getting a discount for it. And if it's because of loyalty that you buy them (support the program through donation), those people likely would have donated to the Spartan Fund anyway.
The only way the seat donation fees work in the long run is if a ticket to MSU football games are in high demand and difficult to obtain. If that's the case, people will pay that premium for them. Just like they pay a premium at OSU, ND, UofM, etc. Because they figure if they don't buy season tickets, they may not see a game. Simple economics: High demand & low supply means higher prices. At MSU, that's not the case yet and won't be anytime in the near future. As a result, the incentive for buying season tickets at MSU presently comes down to the all mighty dollar and getting a discount from face value by purchasing the tickets all at once via season tickets. The seat donations erase that aspect and, instead, now season ticket holders are paying MORE for being one. The only rationale I can see for the AD doing this is to use this extra money from season ticket holders to make up for lost sales and unsold seats. And that's not a sustainable model because sooner or later, the ticket holders will realize they're essentially footing the bill for the seats that the AD couldn't sell.
This post has been edited 5 times, most recently by JMSparty08 17 months ago
Dude. We are in the same level as them. Cousins is gone. Worthy is gone.
Keeping the sunshiners in check since 2000.
I still love MSU, I hate the schedule. Sitting in the same seat every game doesn't mean that much to me and the donation per seat is ridiculous. I'm willing to bet I can get every game other than Michigan for less than face value. This year I was given Notre Dame and Nebrasks tickets for free. (before we were terrible)
90% of ticket holders don't care about the OC.
8% do care, will threaten to cancel their tickets on an internet message board, and will end up renewing
2% will actually not renew
These are the same people (Americans) who complain about things like a $3 price hike in thing like movie tickets. We are a society that has become very conscious of price hikes, weather it makes sense in the long term or not. And I would argue that paying $50 extra per seat per season for seats that are already not to great (lower corners, etc) isn't a ton of money but is going to be a deterrent to some people
The Dude abides. I don't know about you but I take comfort in that. It's good knowin' he's out there. The Dude.
Let's start with actually filling the seats before we move on to discussing how much they should cost.
+1 would read again!
Edit: Forgot to quote JMSparty08, doh!
This post was edited by His Dudeness 17 months ago
Quote function not functioning:"The fact that UM can pack their stadium regularly kind of flies in the face of the whole "the economy sucks" argument. " -SpartanRocky
Totally. Not to mention record meth and pleather sales downriver, despite the bearish market.
This post was edited by IkeGreenWhite 17 months ago
As an MSU fan, what do we want? To win the Legends, yes? We play Neb and UM every year. We will still play OSU and PSU, just not quite as often as we would have otherwise.
I say good. I want MSU to win games. If we want to play OSU, we will see them in the title game.
The reality check here is that UofMs football brand is much stronger than ours. They can do things like seat license fees and people don't bat an eye because there is so much demand. For those of us talking about MSU football on the internet on a Tuesday, this notion seems crazy, but generally far fewer people are passionate about MSU football. This has nothing to do with the economy in general, we are just pricing ourselves over what the market will bear on a week to week basis.
I don't disagree, but that cost is miniscule to the price of tickets at programs we are trying to emulate.
And if I am sitting on the 10 yard line and paying $300 a seat in fees, I'm not too happy if the guy 30 feet to my right isn't paying anything extra for his.
This post was edited by WBill19542 17 months ago
Exactly. We have a much smaller fanbase rather than a national brand. Also, any scalper or secondary market vendor will tell you that, for the most part, MSU fans are cheap when it comes to what they're willing to pay for a ticket. Sure we still rank among the top in attendance year in and year out, but part of that was because the price of the ticket helped.
You're still ignoring demand. The price may be minuscule compared to programs like OSU, UofM, etc., but that's not what controls here. What controls is the demand for those tickets. Like it or not, the demand for MSU football tickets is not the same as the demand for OSU or scUM. Are we trying to emulate them? Sure, that's the level we aspire to be at. But you don't create more demand by raising prices. You can't simply raise prices to $100/seat and call yourself UofM level.
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