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Why don't you actually explain what you mean. In what way was our recruiting in 2008-2010 considerably better than now? In my opinion, the biggest downpoint on our recruiting is that we haven't fortified the trenches enough, and we're already on a pretty good start in 2014 to fix that.
We are not even sniffing the 5 star players now, and are getting fewer 4 star guys. The decrease in talent/recruiting will be much more obvious this year and the next, just because the superstars are all gone.
Dip in the instate recruiting is due to the 247 crystal ball disregarding you
This post was edited by SamSword93 11 months ago
This is the first year in 3+ years we didn't land the #1 player in the state. Big Will, LT, AB. Seems this year, statistically, would be an abnormality.
Our recruiting classes, top-to-bottom, have been better than ever.
Take the current class of RF DBs. Average rating. Yet Dantonio is on record as saying they are the best DB class he has ever seen as a coach, including his NC time at tosu and time at MSU in late 90s with some stud DBs. Seems our staff is better at accessing and coaching talent than just about anyone out there.
And getting fewer 4 stars? Every current commit is a 4 star according to at least 1 service
And btw, for the first time ever, we've broken into the Cass Tech pipeline and gotten two big recruits in a row. That's beyond huge for the landscape of MI recruiting, we were shut out of there almost entirely for over a decade.
This post was edited by mentalstate 11 months ago
I think we all know the real reason.
Uniforms. Marshall picked AA because of matte helmets, don't deny it.
Gholston was not a superstar. He was good, no doubt. But absolutely not a "superstar" by any measure during his time at MSU.
As many people have mentioned, please do two things:
1) Look at our defensive 2 deep. Then go look at the star ratings of those players.
2) Look at the name of every 4* player MSU recruited during the last 5 years. Think about how they have performed.
You might learn a few things.
I'd prefer if you spelled out the conclusions you want me to draw, rather than give me homework.
Are you trying to imply that we are somehow better off with the departure of Gholston?
How many times has Nucky been banned this weekend? Holy shit.
No, he's saying we're doing alright with 2 and 3 stars.
We did just fine with the departure of Worthy with even more uncertainty in depth behind him, why would we be particularly concerned about Gholston? Run defense will probably suffer a bit, good thing we've got the best freaking back 7 in the conference.
Yea, those super stars like Cousins, Worthy, Robinson, Bell, Linthicum, Cunningham, Adams, Rucker, Hyde, Greg Jones . . . .
Oh, oops. Those are all 3-stars with some 2-stars thrown in.
Michigan State does not and will not run the 3-4 defense.
How are going to replace 4-star studs like Jeremy Gainer, Larry Caper, and Donald Spencer?
There are barely any 2-stars on the roster. The recruiting classes have been about 2 times the # of 4-stars than 2-stars since 2009.
I think the 2-stars on the roster are . . . . Hoebing, Freeman (if he's still there), Muma (if you care about kickers' ratings), Dennard, Dennis, Palazeti, Waynes, Lang, Fennell, Conklin and Bodanis (by Rivals).
Most of the roster is 3-stars. The 4-stars are:
Maxwell, Treadwell, Bullough, Lewis, Burkland, Thomas, Clemons, Arnett, Burbridge, Cox, O'Connor, Madaris, Terry, Williams, Jones, Reshke.
It's not that I want MSU to take 3-stars in lieu of 4-stars, just that I think the staff is good enough at IDing talent, period, regardless of what the recruiting rankings say. You could have thrown in RJ Williamson, McGowan, Finely, Heath, Hicks (Mylan) and Hicks (Darian) as guys who received a 4-star rating from some site or another.
Look at 2009's full class of 4-stars: Baker, Caper, Klatt, Barrent, Norman, Sims, Treadwell, Maxwell, Spencer, Gainer. 10 4-stars, and about 3.5 (Baker, Norman, Treadwell and Sims) were impact players, and only Norman was a standout for more than a year . . . . AND he was beaten out by a true Soph 3-star LB in Tai Jones just this past year.
That's why I'm not freaking out. The best class MSU produced on paper actually produced some of the weakest talent of MD's classes: Denicos Allen is probably the best overall player from '09. Talent is talent and it will show through regardless of what label Rivals or 247 slaps on it.
Final point: Are any Spartan fans worried about a combination of Dennard and Waynes at CB this year? They're a pair of 2-star CBs. Oh, why doesn't that matter? Because we've seen them perform on the field, when it matters.
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MalibuMan 11 months ago
MSU's team is not a bunch of scrubs. Most of the contributors are 4* and 3* players. Some of the big 4* recruits we have had have not performed.
My conclusions: Getting classes of mostly 3 and 4 star players is good. Let the rest get sorted out on the field; Dantonio is 51-28 at MSU, the results speak for themselves. Too many people get way too caught up in star ratings.
If this is actually how you think, there is no point continuing this discussion.
like qbs... 2nd string DE is always better
Put it to ya this way: I'd rather have 3-star Worthy out there than 5-star Gholston. I'd prefer to have both, of course.
3-star Worthy made more of an impact on the defense as a whole. Defensive tackles are bigger game changers because they're not as easy to block out by scheme.
I didn't know my daughter posted on this board.
Tweetman was probably one of those that believed the mgoblog article about our 08 class being disastrous when compared to theirs. Want to venture a guess as to the 08 class's record vs UM.
FIRE NARDUZZI- tanfan
This. As long as Dantonio's classes continue to consist of mainly 3 stars with a few 4 stars sprinkled in I'm content. Would I like to have a few more four star players that may or may not provide a greater impact to the team's performance? For sure. You'll seldom find anybody who doesn't want more 4 or 5 star players. As long as the coaching staff remains intact, and Dantonio continues to scout talented players and have players that outperform their star ratings then I'm happy...
This post was edited by Rod Seabass 11 months ago
This 2's and 3's crap may have been true under JLS and Dantonio at first but his classes recently have mostly consisted of 3's with a few 4's sprinkled in and maybe 1 or 2 two star guys at most MSU's recruiting is much better than it used to be even just a few years ago it's no mistake our defenses now will be consisting of 3 star recruits ditto for the offense.
MSU isn't pulling Michigan classes, never have and likely never will but the right coach and coaching staff is in place to assure we're competing with the scUM's and Ohio State's because we are pulling better recruiting classes now and have the coaching to develop the talent.
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