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Byrd will be fine. He'll be a very quality player for MSU in his last two seasons.
You don't have to have Keith Appling speed to play defense. Austin Thornton and Draymond Green were MSU's two best defenders in 2011-12 and neither of them has much in the footspeed department. Especially in college, where positioning is rewarded far more often than athleticism.
Payne couldn't guard a perimeter player his first 2.5 seasons, but he figured it out.
What people don't mention about Hancock's MOP award last night --- early in the season, those "Luke's" were actually boos, and he was not making shots.
"Tonight, we show the world what this program is made of!" -- Brian Ellerbe on Mar 4, 2000, the night of scUM's 51-point loss to MSU.
White 3 point specialist >>>>>>>
That's how Luke Hancock opened the season from 3-point land. At an impressive 17% clip.
If you can shoot, you can shoot. Put Byrd out there and let him find confidence. By the championship game he'll be pulling out his Albrecht/Hancock impression.
WTF? He shoots a set shot. It's nasty. Might've looked good in 1950.
I am gravely disappointed. Again you have made me unleash my dogs of war.
I hope you're right. If a former walk-on with little in the way of talent and athleticism can play starter minutes by his senior year (Thornton) then I'm not giving up on Byrd just yet.
"RCMB: You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainry." - some dude from MgoBlog
To quote the book, talent is overrated. What does/did Austin have that Byrd is missing? Is it work ethic? Attitude? Confidence?
I thought it was beautiful.
Hustle, understanding of the game, good rebounder, had a nose for the ball, and once he found his confidence, turned into a pretty reliable 3 point shooter. Also, he was our best FT shooter.
I've heard Izzo laud Byrd's defense and hustle, so I don't think he's too far behind. Just needs to find his shot.
And getting burned on every single possession on defense. He needs to work on all facets of his game, not just making shots.
"If you're worried about Wolverine fans, just move to Pasadena. You'll never have to deal with 'em."
It's just confidence and reps. Byrd missed most of his redshirt freshman year (and the summer before) because of the foot injury. He wasn't even practicing until late in the year.
When he came in last year, it was clear that his conditioning wasn't up to snuff and he never was in the rotation. This year he played his first meaningful minutes and always looked like he was uncomfortably pressing, trying to prove too much.
Thornton sucked ass his first three years but he NEVER dreaded the big shot. Anyone remember the Maryland tournament game, when Izzo had to play Thornton extended minutes because of the injuries to Kalin and Allen? He must have shot four or five jumpers in the last few minutes and missed every single one of them. But he wasn't afraid to shoot.
Look at Hancock's early season numbers again (his first year in a Louisville uniform, btw). He shot 19 3-pointers in the first two games from three and made only 3.
There's nothing broken about Byrd's shot. Sometimes he drifts to the left and right and sometimes he rushes, but all he needs is a few good games. Once he wants the ball, the shots the will fall.
Neitzel wouldn't have made so many threes from the current line, even.
I've been saying this all year too John. The 3-point line needs to be moved back to the NBA line, and obvious flopping should be given a technical foul. Inconsistent and just outright poor officiating is killing the college game and needs to be seriously addressed in the off season, IMO.
"I love March!" - Tom Izzo
This. You aren't going to get significant playing time for Tom Izzo if you can't play defense...and as of right now...Byrd can't. Simple as that.
I hope you don't have a job that requires you to motivate or inspire other people in any capacity.
And please tell us you don't work around kids in any way either.
Izzo, Dakich and multiple former MSU BB greats, who've actually watched this kid play; have all concluded the same thing: Bryd merely needs more game time reps. It's a simple matter of Izzo continuing what he's already doing, find game time for this kid.
Byrd has to continue to improve his shot, overall defense and commit to contributing in other ways in games this summer to gain Izzo's trust.
Game reps = confidence!
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The will to succeed is important, but what's more important is the will to prepare.
Please don't tell me you think it message board posters job to instill confidence in a collegiate basketball player.
Byrd got some good playing time during the non-conference games. He showed at that point he didn't belong on the court. It would be nice to see a 180 degree turnaround from Byrd, but some people just don't have what it takes to play at this level, whether it's from lack of confidence, nerves, lack of talent, too much pressure, etc.
From 3 pt line, Byrd started the season 1-10 (in his first 4 games, when he had the most confidence after being named a captain) and finsished the season 1-10.
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