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More like addition by Gary Harris. Now shooting 53% from 3 in big10 games 35-66
"Put your mother in a straight-jacket you punk ass white boy." ~ Mike Tyson
damn, no down votes.
I must be crazy to be in a loony bin like this.
Let me know which rankings I'm allowed to use. Or to save time, is it just the ones that favor MSU? Thanks in advance.
FWIW the selection committee uses RPI, & SOS as seeding factors. ESPN uses BPI, KenPom and media polls to hype teams.
Beat Indiana and we are No. 1
What is that, a Titleist? A hole in one...
Actually surprised its been 4 pages and no Bobby Sak, "If there was only a way to settle this on the court."
No one outside of Madison has ever used Ken Pom seriously as a measure for comparing basketball teams.
I'm not picking a side, and i'm not saying who should be ranked higher than whom. But to say "It's hard to argue with their record"...well, it's really easy to argue with it. The NCAA Selection Committee will have no problem arguing with it as well.
Btw, i'm aware of the BPI rankings. I never said anything about MSU's being better. I merely said Gonzaga is not in the top 5 in the country by any regularly-used metric. It's only poll voters looking at just their record and their name that have them as high as #3.
Try reading the actual words in people's posts instead of projecting, and think first about what you type if you don't want it contradicted. I'm the "jackass", and all i did was point out that your statement of not being to argue with their record was a stupid statement. Then i showed really simply why it's stupid. Then you just dig yourself deeper making cases that are tangential. No wonder people want to argue with you.
..........after the final five games. It will be nice to knock of Indy, but if we follow that up by playing like shit vs the other 4 teams on the schedule, it won't mean as much. Good teams get better, and get on a roll to finish the season.
He cited KenPom...........
Nice use of tangential. I feel like that doesn't get used enough. +1 to you.
What about RPI. Is that regularly used? We're 5th. So now we've dropped another spot. I've always felt New Mexico was the team to beat this year.
If I can't use the polls, BPI, KenPom....and I guess I can't use RPI now either....what rankings/services can I use to make sure we're equitably ranked on February 18th?
My apologies for referring to you as a jack@ass. I am on the side of an argument that I do not agree with and it's your fault.
I am just trying to prove that this is not cut and dry and there is a lot of data that supports Gonazaga being ahead of MSU.
You can argue with the data I am using but the fact is that Gonzaga is ranked ahead of MSU in both polls.
This post was edited by Clive Bixby 17 months ago
Try looking at their specific schedules, strength of schedule, and how their opponents have fared. If this seems to 'deep', go to the kenpom site and jerk off, idiot.
Use whatever you want to use that makes sense to you. Just don't think people here are just if they think Gonzaga is overrated because their schedule is relatively weak compared to the other top 10 teams.
Personally, and i wish the Selection Committee would agree with me, i'd like to see an index that doesn't differentiate between teams below about #150. I don't think it matters squat what your bad losses are. It should all be about good wins, since those are the types of teams you play in the tourney. Sometimes MSU's RPI or BPI suffers because they play 4-5 truly off-the-charts BAD teams in the non-conference. If you line up Gonzaga's schedule top to bottom up against MSU's, you see that Gonzaga's worst opps are better than some of MSU's worst opps. But who cares...those are the opps that both MSU and Gonzaga in a season like this one are going to beat 100 times out of 100 anyway.
Or at least an index that weighs them on a sliding scale, like many indexes do with margin of victory.
This post was edited by mark_v 17 months ago
"Bob Asmussen, Illinois beat writer for the Champaign News-Gazette, was the only voter to select Michigan No. 1 in the preseason AP Top 25."
Thank you, Denicos.
Exactly. I think Gonzaga is a good team but let's not pretend that their resume is anywhere near the level of MSU because it's not. I understand it's not their fault that St. Mary's is down and BYU isn't very good but that's the reality of the situation. MSU plays in a league where 9 teams are in the RPI top 100 (4 in the top 15) this year while the WCC has 4 (the others are rated 50th or worse). However if we're judging resumes, the level of competition that MSU has been playing since late December dwarfs anything Gonzaga has seen. That's not even factoring the 2.5 week stretch in November where MSU played 4 teams ranked in the top 42 (just one at home).
FWIW, the CBSsports.com Top 25 (and one) has MSU at #3. That's just two people, though (Gary Parish and Jeff Goodman).
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I am surprised we moved up to number four. I can't believe we passed Duke.
And O$U the following Sunday. Then they'll have the #1 spot.
Even if we beat Indiana and OSU, we still might not jump Miami. They've never been #1 and voters might want to give it to them. And they beat MSU. If we absolutely crush Indy and OSU, it might be different, but I expect both games to be close.
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